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Advanced Magnet Manufacturing Begins in the United States

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Re: Advanced Magnet Manufacturing Begins in the United States

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MP Minerals got their magnet plant going. Good.

MP Minerals operates the Mountain Pass, CA rare earths mine. This was the largest rare earths mine in the world at one time. After several shutdowns and two bankruptcies due to low rare earth prices, MP Minerals bought the mine in 2017 and had it producing ore in 2020. The mine already had a "beneficiation" plant, where raw ore goes in and a mix of rare earth elements, plus lots of unwanted tailings, come out. Unlike the plants in China, they have a process that doesn't require huge settlement ponds and vast amounts of water, so it doesn't create too much of a mess. It's mostly a mechanical process, and processes huge volumes of ore, yielding a much smaller volume of concentrate.

What comes out of the benficiation plant needs more separation. That had to be sent to China to be refined, because there were no plants to do the separation in the US. So MP Minerals got the US Department of Defense to fund a separation plant at Mountain Pass. This separates the different rare earths. It's mostly a chemical process. Again, what comes out is a lot less volume than goes in. The Mountain Pass separation plant has been working for a few years now.

What comes out of the separation plant needs more purification and alloying. That's what the new plant in Texas does. That's a modest sized facility in an industrial park. What comes out is metal ready to be formed into magnets. That completes the supply chain.

Owning the whole supply chain insulates MP Minerals from trouble in the middle stages. Such as China's 2024 ban on export of rare earth processing technology.[1] Now that they have the whole supply chain working, they can increase production if desired. It's much easier to duplicate a plant than make a new one for a new process.

[1] https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-chinas-ban-rare-earths-pr...

Re: Advanced Magnet Manufacturing Begins in the United States

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Any motor experts here? Why are they chasing rare earth metals in the first place? In the end, the mines are going to be in China anyway, right? Why don't we design around rare earth magnets in the first place? Synchronous reluctance motors where torque density isn't a strict requirement, and brushless separately excited synchronous motors (synchro motor with electromagnets on the rotor) for high torque/energy densit…

Electromagnets for the rotor cause significantly more heating, exactly where it is hardest cool, and where the heat is most likely to seep into the load. For high torque density applications, heat dissipation is often the limiting factor on duty cycle. Also, the slip rings capable of passing high current to an electromagnet rotor are expensive and less robust than permanent magnets. Essentially: it’s possible but I h…

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Re: Advanced Magnet Manufacturing Begins in the United States

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We're not looking for autarky, we're looking for strategic assurances and avoidance of dependency with adversarial consequences. It annoys me economic arguments delayed work to expand Australian rare earth sources, it would have been good not to get caught behind "cheaper is best" decision logic. The same logic shut down our microelectronics industry, local manufacturing, strategic policy in oil reserves and refining. Sure. Cheaper is great.. right up until it isn't because somebody else wants an outcome without price.

Re: Advanced Magnet Manufacturing Begins in the United States

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Any motor experts here? Why are they chasing rare earth metals in the first place? In the end, the mines are going to be in China anyway, right? Why don't we design around rare earth magnets in the first place? Synchronous reluctance motors where torque density isn't a strict requirement, and brushless separately excited synchronous motors (synchro motor with electromagnets on the rotor) for high torque/energy densit…

> the mines are going to be in China anyway, right

If you had read the article you’d know they have their own mine: “Hardly any firms, even in China, do what MP is attempting: produce finished magnets starting with ore that the company mines itself” Mostly China doesn’t mine materials but has concentrated the refining capacity in China for many commodities. Thankfully, we do have backup capacity so we won’t be totally screwed if China cuts us off, and the refining technology is well understood and in a conflict we or our allies can cut them off from many raw materials so their refining advantage isn’t a checkmate.

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"rare earth metals" aren't "rare" to the USA They are "rare" per ton of earth in general So it's just that mining them is so labor intensive and so toxic (uranium and other radioactivity) that it is expensive outside of places like China. Automate that with bots or whatnot and maybe we don't have to invade Canada and Greenland and start WW3

Fun fact: rare earth metals are actually not the rarest metals per ton in the earth's crust, it's just that they only very rarely form into deposits in the form of minerals, and so they're very disperse.

I had some of element Tm in the lab the other day (not pure form), had to go look up the name as I had never come across it before.

Re: Advanced Magnet Manufacturing Begins in the United States

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Perhaps it was a bad idea to let it stop happening in the US[1] in the first place? I have acquaintances who told me about this more than a decade ago. We thought it was stupid to let the production lines go then... and obviously, we were right.

[1] https://www.counterpunch.org/2006/04/07/the-saga-of-magneque...

Re: Advanced Magnet Manufacturing Begins in the United States

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"rare earth metals" aren't "rare" to the USA They are "rare" per ton of earth in general So it's just that mining them is so labor intensive and so toxic (uranium and other radioactivity) that it is expensive outside of places like China. Automate that with bots or whatnot and maybe we don't have to invade Canada and Greenland and start WW3

I know you're being facetious but it's also worth spelling out somewhat explicitly as well: the US has never had a supply problem like that because through effective diplomacy and alliances it has commanded an excellent position to negotiate as a preferred trade partner through its world leading expertise in many areas and the export of its military spending as a security partner which up till very recently ensured a…

The PRC is a near-monopoly on rare-earths production; the US is neither an ally nor security partner of China (to put it mildly). The US doesn't source these mineral from allies.

Re: Advanced Magnet Manufacturing Begins in the United States

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More interesting to me is Niron Magnetics, mentioned in the article, which is commercializing magnets based on a particular phase of iron nitride. https://www.nironmagnetics.com/

I doubt that they are commercializing anything. I see on their site now that they are building a plant that is expected to produce 5 (five) tons of magnets per year (compared to 1500 t/year for the plant discussed in the article or with 25000 t/year for the biggest of the around 300 Chinese plants). Such a small-scale production might be enough only to make samples to distribute to potential customers, to convince th…

Doesn't this shoot them in the foot? Once they get it working they have less time left on the patent.

Re: Advanced Magnet Manufacturing Begins in the United States

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you're being facetious but it's also worth spelling out somewhat explicitly as well: the US has never had a supply problem like that because through effective diplomacy and alliances it has commanded an excellent position to negotiate as a preferred trade partner through its world leading expertise in many areas and the export of its military spending as a security partner which up till very recently ensured a…

The PRC is a near-monopoly on rare-earths production; the US is neither an ally nor security partner of China (to put it mildly). The US doesn't source these mineral from allies.

It used to, and used to have significant mines of it’s own.
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