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UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
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Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#22Apple could start with the UK politicians' iCloud backups, I am sure there is a lot of useful compromising information in them. That might cause a change in attitude.
Apple could be the first modern corporation to declare war on a nation-state. They have the resources to set the internet hounds on them & make them absolutely miserable. Looks like the Heinlein/Snowcrash/Stross corporate futures are in play.
Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#23Politicians living in dreamland again about what encryption can and cannot do. I thought this stupidity had died with our last excuse for a government. Sad to see this is back.
What do you mean? Do you have the key to your iCloud backups? You do not, your phone does. You know who has root access to your phone? Apple. It would take a minute to set up some code to fetch the key, if they were legally forced to.
So, "Just please sign into your phone for us, will you, and install this software update that we push through the pipe."
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#24As an Apple user for decades and a UK citizen I would honestly rather they withdrew from the UK market rather than engage with this idiocy.
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#25> And withdrawing the product from the UK might not be enough to ensure compliance - the Investigatory Powers Act applies worldwide to any tech firm with a UK market, even if they are not based in Britain. That's incredibly demanding for a country that's been desperately trying to cling onto relevance for decades.
At some point I hope we get a government that governs global internet interactions. National governments are just making up silly jurisdiction rules because there's a customer that is currently in their place, overlooking the global nature or at least feel of the internet. If I'm in one country and the person with whom im interacting is in another, whose geographical laws take precedence? Now imagine interacting with…
You want even more consolidation of power?
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#26> And withdrawing the product from the UK might not be enough to ensure compliance - the Investigatory Powers Act applies worldwide to any tech firm with a UK market, even if they are not based in Britain. That's incredibly demanding for a country that's been desperately trying to cling onto relevance for decades.
To what extent is a country's relevance (whatever that even means) the decisive factor in determining what it is allowed to demand?
They can demand whatever they want, it doesn't mean their demands should or will be respected.
The UK only has ~70 million people.
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#27> And withdrawing the product from the UK might not be enough to ensure compliance - the Investigatory Powers Act applies worldwide to any tech firm with a UK market, even if they are not based in Britain. That's incredibly demanding for a country that's been desperately trying to cling onto relevance for decades.
One of the ways it hangs on is by being a part of 5 eyes "mutual spying club" meaning that US intelligencies can bypass domestic legal protections.
That just recently got ruled illegal by a Federal Court...
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#28Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42970412
Not dupe. Different report.
Re: UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean? Do you have the key to your iCloud backups? You do not, your phone does. You know who has root access to your phone? Apple. It would take a minute to set up some code to fetch the key, if they were legally forced to.
So, "Just please sign into your phone for us, will you, and install this software update that we push through the pipe."
The phones auto-install updates all the time with no user intervention or even notification.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
The U.K. is the sixth largest economy in the world. It’s hardly irrelevant, unless the only relevant countries are the USA and China.
large economy /= relevance The uk economy is 80% services, mostly financial services and tourism, only 18% come from manufacturing
Do you define relevance in terms of manufacturing?