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Announcing the data.gov archive

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Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by zombot »

fredoliveira wrote: post #4

Honestly a shame it has to come to this. Sure, people elected this administration and I guess with that comes with a bunch things I disagree with. But the removal of years of scientific research and data from the web (paid for by citizens with their taxes) is absolutely unacceptable. Ravaging CDC data, climate data, etc is horrendous and unforgivable.

It's today's equivalent of book burnings.

"where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people as well."

Those who delete research will ultimately delete people as well.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Heinrich_Heine

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by globalnode »

lou1306 wrote: post #8
EnnEmmEss wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I remember correctly, Harvard has immunity to eminent domain under the Massachusetts constitution. Maybe it has a similar right which would make it immune to such attacks?

I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physica…

Im predicting no more elections for you guys in 4 years. Something makes me think theres gonna be some "reason" to turn them off.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by lou1306 »

anonzzzies wrote: post #15
maaaaattttt wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP but torrent would be my go to for a short term solution.

Torrent would do it but 16TB is still not that cheap to just have running in your house nas (otherwise I would).

Of course this is more of a job for responsible universities/libraries/research centres around the world, rather than single individuals. I would be surprised if Harvard didn't already go through their contact list to ensure as many copies are being made as possible.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by lou1306 »

globalnode wrote: post #22
lou1306 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physica…

Im predicting no more elections for you guys in 4 years. Something makes me think theres gonna be some "reason" to turn them off.

I'm not one of the "guys" as I am from the EU. There is a narrow way through for the US, but treating the incumbent as Just Another Guy is not that.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by milesrout »

lou1306 wrote: post #8
EnnEmmEss wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I remember correctly, Harvard has immunity to eminent domain under the Massachusetts constitution. Maybe it has a similar right which would make it immune to such attacks?

I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physica…

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Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by milesrout »

globalnode wrote: post #22
lou1306 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physica…

Im predicting no more elections for you guys in 4 years. Something makes me think theres gonna be some "reason" to turn them off.

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Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by milesrout »

black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

>I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital.

Harvard like other liberal institutions has little to no political capital in a Republican white house in the first place. Why would it cost them any to host data that is in the public domain?

This sort of silly overreaction is part of why people voted for Trump: it is genuinely funny to see people overreact to Trump because theyve been told by the legacy media that he is a "threat to democracy" over and over.

Last time he was elected his government also removed a bunch of climate data from govt websites which was quickly mirrored by third parties. Nobody was taken away by the Gestapo then and there is no reason to think things will be any different this time.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by fnands »

Will does this include all USGS data?

This is a topic that came up at work today as we rely on this data and are considering backing up most of the Lidar data from there ourselves (100s of TB probably)

EDIT: no, looks like it is only the footprints

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by labster »

milesrout wrote: post #26
globalnode wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im predicting no more elections for you guys in 4 years. Something makes me think theres gonna be some "reason" to turn them off.

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So it’s a delusion that the guy who tried to overthrow the vote last time will prevent the next election this time? Tyrants tried multiple times before succeeding in Athens, why not today?

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by Juliate »

milesrout wrote: post #27
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

>I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. Harvard like other liberal institutions has little to no political capital in a Republican white house in the first place. Why would it cost them any to host data that is in the public domain? This sort of silly overreaction is part of why people voted for Tr…

> Nobody was taken away by the Gestapo

Someone forgot the "kids in cages" episodes in 2018 when Trump was only testing the waters...

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_se...

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