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Authoritarian Coups Are Gradual Then Sudden

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Re: Authoritarian Coups Are Gradual Then Sudden

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Post by sumuyuda »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #18
qwertox wrote: post #6

We currently have this problem in Germany. The right-wing party AfD is claiming to be constitutional and democratic, yet they have constantly shown through small actions that they are 1. extremists, 2. unconstitutional and 3. not democratic. The most clear example happened last year, when they tried to take power of the parliament of the state Thuringia. They attempted to remove voting rights to parliament members du…

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This reason is the same as everywhere in the west. Capitalism has created a massive wealth inequality where the normal person have less and less, with increasing costs they can’t afford.

Right wing parties come in and blame the immigrants as the reason for the decline. They offer simple answers rather than the hard truth that the system is inherently unfair and unjust.

The real solution is to move to a post capitalism economic system but no politicians from the mainstream parties are pushing for this as companies have to much influence and power in society.

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Post by polotics »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #18
qwertox wrote: post #6

We currently have this problem in Germany. The right-wing party AfD is claiming to be constitutional and democratic, yet they have constantly shown through small actions that they are 1. extremists, 2. unconstitutional and 3. not democratic. The most clear example happened last year, when they tried to take power of the parliament of the state Thuringia. They attempted to remove voting rights to parliament members du…

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No, it's just the direct consequence of worldwide resources depletion, in particular the EROEI of all scale-relevant energy sources. Add to this the first round of climate-change induced demographic movement (cough Syria) and there you go. I blame it on lack of education, and wishful thinking.

Re: Authoritarian Coups Are Gradual Then Sudden

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Post by ChrisNorstrom »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #19
ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Phantom voters would require an ID to be created before they can register to vote, so an ID check wouldn't help. With thousands registered at one address. From your article, the proposed law didn't limit valid voters based upon their id address. So I don't see how it would help. Dead voters are removed from the registration database and wouldn't be counted, unless they passed away out of country. Moved out of state w…

Do you realise without an ID to vote, you can literally just walk into a polling place and pretend to be your brother vote, then walk into another polling place pretending to be a male friend you know and vote, then walk to another polling place and pretend to be your neighbor and vote. And you won't get caught if you are certain that the original voter won't vote.

"just go to to the registration table. Say your name and address and sign the list of voters. A poll worker will give you a ballot." That's it. That's all you need. Just your name, the address, and just forge a signature.

Checking id correctly at time of vote slows down the process and causes less people to vote.

I have always used my ID to vote for decades and it's always been instant, I just scan it at the polling location and in less than 2 seconds I'm given a ballot. I do agree that some demographics do not have the money or simply do not care to get an ID, drivers license. I support a law that gives them one for free.

The following is an incomplete MAP of countries that require ID to vote: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/tujqxf/voter_id_la...

The following is an incomplete list of countries that do and do not require ID to vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws

My reasoning is this. If you know someone else's information you can pretend to be them to vote.

If you have a family of 5, all registered voters because they registered decades ago, and none of them want to vote. You can literally just walk into a polling location and pretend to be one of your brothers or a friend you know isn't voting, and cast a vote on their behalf. And keep doing this over and over at different polling locations if you're in a state that allows you to go to any polling location.

Seriously, is it really that hard to just ask for ID when voting? I support giving ID cards for free, I support making voting day a national holiday or forcing it to be on a Saturday or Sunday when everyone is off.

79% of Americans surveyed by Gallup support voter ID: https://news.gallup.com/poll/403052/eight-americans-favor-ea....

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Post by dzhiurgis »

qwertox wrote: post #6

We currently have this problem in Germany. The right-wing party AfD is claiming to be constitutional and democratic, yet they have constantly shown through small actions that they are 1. extremists, 2. unconstitutional and 3. not democratic. The most clear example happened last year, when they tried to take power of the parliament of the state Thuringia. They attempted to remove voting rights to parliament members du…

Why don’t opposing parties promise to solving illegal immigration? Sounds like a slam dunk win.

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Post by GolberThorce »

sumuyuda wrote: post #21
ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This reason is the same as everywhere in the west. Capitalism has created a massive wealth inequality where the normal person have less and less, with increasing costs they can’t afford. Right wing parties come in and blame the immigrants as the reason for the decline. They offer simple answers rather than the hard truth that the system is inherently unfair and unjust. The real solution is to move to a post capitalis…

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Re: Authoritarian Coups Are Gradual Then Sudden

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Post by relaxing »

CarRamrod wrote: post #8

>Infiltrating police departments and the enlisted ranks of the military >Taking over school boards and local boards of elections Just to play devil's advocate, is it possible that the far right has been under the impression that the far left has been doing the same thing?

Yes of course they’ve been told this. But that is delusional since there has been no left-wing coup in the United States government.

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Post by relaxing »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #23
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phantom voters would require an ID to be created before they can register to vote, so an ID check wouldn't help. With thousands registered at one address. From your article, the proposed law didn't limit valid voters based upon their id address. So I don't see how it would help. Dead voters are removed from the registration database and wouldn't be counted, unless they passed away out of country. Moved out of state w…

Do you realise without an ID to vote, you can literally just walk into a polling place and pretend to be your brother vote, then walk into another polling place pretending to be a male friend you know and vote, then walk to another polling place and pretend to be your neighbor and vote. And you won't get caught if you are certain that the original voter won't vote. "just go to to the registration table. Say your name…

> just forge a signature

Hard to do in practice. Arouse any suspicion and now the authorities are contacting the real voter asking them why their signature doesn’t match and the jig is up.

And you have to scale up 1000x to make an impact, which means conspiracy, which multiplies the likelihood of getting caught.

No, despite what you’ve been told the way to rig an election is not at the ballot box.

It’s a scheme to disenfranchise the poor who don’t drive, plain and simple.

Voting holiday and a massive, ongoing, census-level government outreach to ensure everyone gets and maintains an ID would be fine, but of course the right wing legislatures don’t want that.

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Post by talldayo »

CarRamrod wrote: post #15
talldayo wrote: post #10

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If they do believe that, I'd have to wonder why. Having people that don't look like you or disagree with you on school boards and in military service doesn't mean you've been "infiltrated" by an adversary. Liberals certainly don't act that way towards conservative service members or even private schools.

What constitutes infiltration?

Conspiracy to infiltrate, arranged by an adversarial power. Gay people are not "infiltrating" the military on behalf of anyone. School boards are not being "infiltrated" by Democrats that pay the same taxes for public education that Republicans do.

These are basic tenants of political representation and personal liberty. They are, in principle, the most American things imaginable.

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Post by Wickedflickr »

GolberThorce wrote: post #25
sumuyuda wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reason is the same as everywhere in the west. Capitalism has created a massive wealth inequality where the normal person have less and less, with increasing costs they can’t afford. Right wing parties come in and blame the immigrants as the reason for the decline. They offer simple answers rather than the hard truth that the system is inherently unfair and unjust. The real solution is to move to a post capitalis…

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There are more empty homes in the US than there are homeless. Housing is expensive because they have become an investment vehicle. Low income or affordable housing is not being built because the profit margins are not nearly as high as they are for luxury housing.
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