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GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Post by spencerflem »

bobxmax wrote: post #17
gedy wrote: post #5

I'm what people who know me call a "creative person", but generative AI for images and especially music really is a terrific tool. > What if the point of art is that we actually make it? It seems the author's point is the struggle and effort is what makes it worthwhile, but I kind of disagree. I used to pour a ton of time, effort, and heart into making something I wanted to see or hear, but unfortunately the results…

it's a great tool if you aren't an ornery artist who refuses to adapt to new ways and means.

most ai art is bland and worthless and has no meaning behind it.

im not postmodern enough to say its all the struggle, but regardless of if AI us used or not I expect the artist to have some idea of what they're trying to do or say, and typing a sentence into a box ain't it

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Post by caseyy »

gedy wrote: post #5

I'm what people who know me call a "creative person", but generative AI for images and especially music really is a terrific tool. > What if the point of art is that we actually make it? It seems the author's point is the struggle and effort is what makes it worthwhile, but I kind of disagree. I used to pour a ton of time, effort, and heart into making something I wanted to see or hear, but unfortunately the results…

Art has a broader purpose than just unique artistic expression, indeed. Sometimes it is used to help visualise, create an atmosphere, communicate ideas, so on and forth. AI generated art fulfils these utilitarian purposes, doesn’t it?

People are a bit snobbish about art, but they forget there are thousands of printed t-shirt mills where tons of art is being pumped out so people can wear a message on their body. And thousands of homes and hotel rooms with Kinkade paintings no one will search for meaning in, to make the atmosphere “quaint”. Thousands of home developments with 3D renders on their construction site walls and PowerPoint presentations.

And that’s alright, art has many purposes and applications, even AI. I disagree with the elite-ish tone of the article.

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Post by Jordan-117 »

skybrian wrote: post #10
Kuinox wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some current gen ai can generate images, in real time, how that's not enough interactive ?

Can they fill the screen with 20 variations nearly instantly? If so, I'd like to see that.

There are already efficient models that can generate single images in real time as fast as you can type the prompt. I wonder if you could tweak this approach to instead generate a page full of static thumbnails on submitting a query (using different seeds for each result), and then upscale the desired image when clicked.

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Post by sunshinesnacks »

vbarrielle wrote: post #12
portaouflop wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inventions like the dishwasher for domestic use never really led to meaningful work reduction for the people (women) doing this kind of work.

The dishwasher, maybe not, but a washing machine is reducing the laundry work by a lot. Have you ever tried to do your laundry by hand?

Agreed. Washing machines have had a huge impact. See [1] for some summary info.

Anecdotally, having a dishwasher seems to simply mean that our house can go through 4x more dishes every day than I would expect…

[1] https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/how-appliance-boom-moved-mo...

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Post by gedy »

caseyy wrote: post #22
gedy wrote: post #5

I'm what people who know me call a "creative person", but generative AI for images and especially music really is a terrific tool. > What if the point of art is that we actually make it? It seems the author's point is the struggle and effort is what makes it worthwhile, but I kind of disagree. I used to pour a ton of time, effort, and heart into making something I wanted to see or hear, but unfortunately the results…

Art has a broader purpose than just unique artistic expression, indeed. Sometimes it is used to help visualise, create an atmosphere, communicate ideas, so on and forth. AI generated art fulfils these utilitarian purposes, doesn’t it? People are a bit snobbish about art, but they forget there are thousands of printed t-shirt mills where tons of art is being pumped out so people can wear a message on their body. And t…

Yes agreed, and not to knock people, but I worked with and around other artists for some years, and frankly many people really don't have some deep meaning around what they make, they just have a "style" and make things around that with a sprinkle of some meaning (which in some cases I suspect is added after the fact).

When I was younger I'd get into mild arguments with people that style !== meaningful art, and especially when they'd question why the things I made were sometimes wildly different styles.

AI can generate around a style almost effortlessly and I think it may expose a lot of people who have nothing else to define themselves as An Artist.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

gedy wrote: post #5

I'm what people who know me call a "creative person", but generative AI for images and especially music really is a terrific tool. > What if the point of art is that we actually make it? It seems the author's point is the struggle and effort is what makes it worthwhile, but I kind of disagree. I used to pour a ton of time, effort, and heart into making something I wanted to see or hear, but unfortunately the results…

Same. Also, I spend just as much time curating what I consider to be the right elements of the Suno music I generate as I did before GenAI. I just get a lot more mileage out of it. Consequently, when I generate that final cut, I feel a strong sense of ownership over it, even though I understand clearly that I didn't "make the music". I described it. Doesn't stop me from listening to it over and over again and feeling pride.

There may also be a lack of awareness around the current capabilities of these tools. You can replace individual sections of a song seamlessly. You can use non-vocal prompting patterns to elicit desired elements, textures, and transitions. You can capture the essence of different patterns and apply them to new creations.

This space is rapidly converging towards DAW-like capabilities, and it won't be long before we reach similar levels of control that we had when we were in complete control. Midi support, nobs and sliders for discrete elements. You can already export vocals separately from the main music track, so separating elements for individual processing and modification doesn't seem far fetched.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Post by darkwater »

asdff wrote: post #14
vbarrielle wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dishwasher, maybe not, but a washing machine is reducing the laundry work by a lot. Have you ever tried to do your laundry by hand?

In those days you had fewer clothes and wore them longer between washes as well. Something to consider as we dedicate time to fold 7+ full outfits of clothes every week per person today.

And on average families, especially the poorest ones, had 4 kids each.

(Ok, I just made up the number to make a point but you get what I mean)

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