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NASA's Asteroid Bennu Sample Reveals Mix of Life's Ingredients

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Re: NASA's Asteroid Bennu Sample Reveals Mix of Life's Ingredients

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Given that the Ryugu sample was contaminated, how confident are we that these samples werent also contaminated? https://phys.org/news/2024-11-ryugu-asteroid-sample-rapidly-...

> Many amino acids can be created in two mirror-image versions, like a pair of left and right hands. Life on Earth almost exclusively produces the left-handed variety, but the Bennu samples contain an equal mixture of both. This is a very strong indication that the amino acids in the sample where made by an inorganic process.

Is it? Or is it a very strong indication that the amino acids in the sample were not contamination by life on Earth?

That is, while life on Earth is left-handed, I don't know of any reason to assume that life elsewhere must be either left- or right-handed.

I don't actually believe in panspermia. I just think that it's important to not infer more than the evidence actually gives.

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> Many amino acids can be created in two mirror-image versions, like a pair of left and right hands. Life on Earth almost exclusively produces the left-handed variety, but the Bennu samples contain an equal mixture of both. This is a very strong indication that the amino acids in the sample where made by an inorganic process.

Is it? Or is it a very strong indication that the amino acids in the sample were not contamination by life on Earth ? That is, while life on Earth is left-handed, I don't know of any reason to assume that life elsewhere must be either left- or right-handed. I don't actually believe in panspermia. I just think that it's important to not infer more than the evidence actually gives.

Life uses the exact same chemistry as any inorganic process exept life is far more competent than random reaction products. This is why the expected origin is inorganic as left handed and right handed are equally likely to occur in an inorganic process. So occams razor suggests that either 1) life must specifically balance their left-right handed molecules 2) Other processes that favor any handedness must not be present.

or the process is inorganic which we know couldn't favor left or righthandedness in the first place.

Re: NASA's Asteroid Bennu Sample Reveals Mix of Life's Ingredients

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Is it? Or is it a very strong indication that the amino acids in the sample were not contamination by life on Earth ? That is, while life on Earth is left-handed, I don't know of any reason to assume that life elsewhere must be either left- or right-handed. I don't actually believe in panspermia. I just think that it's important to not infer more than the evidence actually gives.

Life uses the exact same chemistry as any inorganic process exept life is far more competent than random reaction products. This is why the expected origin is inorganic as left handed and right handed are equally likely to occur in an inorganic process. So occams razor suggests that either 1) life must specifically balance their left-right handed molecules 2) Other processes that favor any handedness must not be pres…

I agree. My version:

I would not be surprised if we find life in other planet/moon that use "only" [1] right handed amino acids. But it looks like it's easier to produce "only" one type of them: "only" left handed or "only" right handed.

To produce both in a 50%-50% ratio they would need to duplicate most of the enzymes, or have a specialized enzyme that transform one into the other. It's not impossible, but it seams to be wasteful.

Nobody is sure, but our current best guess is that life in other planets/moons will choose left or right instead of a 50%-50% mix.

[1] Life on Earth use a small amount of right handed amino acids, so I expect a "mirror" life to use a small amount of left handed amino acids.

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> other life in the solar system (which seems like a pretty hard "no" to me as a lay person), There’s so much we don’t know about the solar system, little bacteria crawling around deep under the crust of a moon or swirling about in a gassy giant doesn’t seem too far fetched. Wormy fishy creatures (or even more complex than that) under the ice of Europa is a bit more of a stretch, but even then I don’t think we’re awa…

Yeah, ruling anything out when we’re still finding new muscles ( https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-adva... ) and weird structures ( https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/what-s-obelisk-any... ) in humans - to which we have plenty of access - seems deeply premature.

The traditional way to demonstrate this is how little we know about the ocean floor and the types, styles, and varieties of life therein.

Every time we look we find a textbook's worth of new types of creatures, and usually break at least one minor "rule" of how life works, for example, "dark oxygen".

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my favourite hypothesis for the first life is the idea that the entire universe might have been habitable for a while: https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.0613 of course, it's very unlikely, but it's such a cool idea!

It is indeed a cool idea, but it is likely completely wrong. For life, it is not enough for the ambient temperature at the surface of a planet to be acceptable. For life to appear, it is necessary that the interior of the planet is much hotter than the surface, so that this thermal non-equilibrium will be converted into chemical non-equilibrium by volcanism. When the universe had cooled to a habitable temperature aft…

The discussion on the origin of life often focuses on where and how it began, but I believe it is just as important to consider the fundamental role of life in the universe. What purpose does life serve in a cosmic context? What physical effects does it have on planetary systems? Rather than analyzing the current state of life, we may gain deeper insights by working backward from the necessary conditions for life’s existence.

One possible hypothesis is that life functions as a thermal regulation system. Just as in the story of Goldilocks, where conditions must be "just right" for life to emerge, the presence of life itself may play a role in maintaining this balance. If life only arises under optimal thermal conditions, then its role might include sustaining those conditions over time.

At the same time, life has evolved from single-celled to multicellular organisms, from plants to animals, continuously increasing in complexity and mobility. This suggests that life is not meant to remain confined to one place but is naturally inclined to spread, even beyond planetary boundaries. If this hypothesis holds, life inherently seeks movement and expansion —consciously or unconsciously— and has the potential to terraform multiple habitable planets.

From an entropy perspective, life plays a dual role: it disperses across space while simultaneously reducing local entropy through intelligence-driven processes. This cycle of diffusion, local convergence, and further expansion could be a fundamental aspect of life’s function. In simpler terms, life may be an entropy regulation mechanism, which makes the possibility of life existing and thriving beyond Earth highly plausible.

Much like how ancient Earth’s organisms were unaware of each other’s existence across vast distances, it is entirely possible that extraterrestrial life operates within a similarly fractal pattern, remaining beyond our current recognition.

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