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Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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How's this any different than someone 5+ years ago blindly going by whatever a Google result said about anything? I've run into conflicting answers to things off Google's first page of results, some things aren't 100% certain and require more research.

I'm not surprised if this will make some lazier since you don't need to do the legwork of reading, but how many don't read only the headlines of articles before they share articles?

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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The abstract does not define, nor contextually suggest from the prior statements of the results what "metacognitive laziness" means. Personally speaking, I find being able to ask ChatGPT continually more nuanced questions about an initial answer the one clear benefit over a Google search, where I have diminishing marginal returns on my inquisitiveness for the time invested over subsequent searches. The more precisely…

This is my take as well. There was a story a couple days ago about a neural network built on a single photonic chip. I fed the paper to ChatGPT and was able to use it to develop a much more meaningful and comprehensive understanding of what the chip actually delivered, how it operated, the fundamental operating principles of core components and how it could be integrated into a system. The fact that I now have a tire…

> (hallucination caveats notwithstanding)

This is a pretty big caveat to the goal of

> develop a much more meaningful and comprehensive understanding

Which is still my biggest issue with LLMs. The little I use of them, the answers are still confidently wrong a lot of the time. Has this changed?

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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“The kids these days are too lazy to be bothered to learn” is a psychological trap that people often fall into. It’s not to say we shouldn’t do our best to understand and provide guardrails, but the kids will be fine.

Can you point me to the generation that had ready access to AI on their hands, answering all their questions?

"People have been complaining about this for thousands of years" is a potent counterargument to a lot of things, but it can't be applied to things that really didn't exist even a decade ago.

Moreover, the thing that people miss about "people have been complaining about this for thousands of years" is that the complaints have often been valid, too. Cultures have fallen. Civilizations have collapsed. Empires have disintegrated. The complaints were not all wrong!

And that's on a civilization-scale. On a more mundane day-to-day scale, people have been individually failing for precisely the same reasons people were complaining about for a long time. There have been lazy people who have done poorly or died because of it. There have been people who refused to learn who have done poorly or died because of it.

This really isn't an all-purpose "just shrug about it and move on, everything's been fine before and it'll be fine again". It hasn't always been fine before, at any scale, and we don't know what impact unknown things will have.

To give a historical example... nay, a class of historical examples... there are several instances of a new drug being introduced to a society, and it ripping through that society that had no defenses against it. Even when the society survived it, it did so at great individual costs, and "eh, we've had drugs before" would not have been a good heuristic to understand the results with. I do not know that AIs just answering everything is similar, but at the moment I certainly can't prove it isn't either.

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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How's this any different than someone 5+ years ago blindly going by whatever a Google result said about anything? I've run into conflicting answers to things off Google's first page of results, some things aren't 100% certain and require more research. I'm not surprised if this will make some lazier since you don't need to do the legwork of reading, but how many don't read only the headlines of articles before they s…

> How's this any different than someone 5+ years ago blindly going by whatever a Google result said about anything

You can interrogate it at least. "Are you sure that's the correct answer? Re-think from the beginning without any assumptions" and you'll get a checklist you can mentally/practically go through yourself to validate.

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How's this any different than someone 5+ years ago blindly going by whatever a Google result said about anything? I've run into conflicting answers to things off Google's first page of results, some things aren't 100% certain and require more research. I'm not surprised if this will make some lazier since you don't need to do the legwork of reading, but how many don't read only the headlines of articles before they s…

Differences of degree, not of kind

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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How's this any different than someone 5+ years ago blindly going by whatever a Google result said about anything? I've run into conflicting answers to things off Google's first page of results, some things aren't 100% certain and require more research. I'm not surprised if this will make some lazier since you don't need to do the legwork of reading, but how many don't read only the headlines of articles before they s…

> How's this any different than someone 5+ years ago blindly going by whatever a Google result said about anything?

It has "AI" in the title, so it's a hot take.

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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> Our research found that in the absence of differences in motivation, learners with different supports still exhibited different self-regulated learning processes, ultimately leading to differentiated performance.

That's the most convoluted conclusion I've ever seen.

> What is particularly noteworthy is that AI technologies such as ChatGPT may promote learners' dependence on technology and potentially trigger “metacognitive laziness”.

Calculator laziness is long known. It doesn't cause meta- but specific- laziness.

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How's this any different than someone 5+ years ago blindly going by whatever a Google result said about anything? I've run into conflicting answers to things off Google's first page of results, some things aren't 100% certain and require more research. I'm not surprised if this will make some lazier since you don't need to do the legwork of reading, but how many don't read only the headlines of articles before they s…

> How's this any different than someone 5+ years ago blindly going by whatever a Google result said about anything You can interrogate it at least. "Are you sure that's the correct answer? Re-think from the beginning without any assumptions" and you'll get a checklist you can mentally/practically go through yourself to validate.

True, so I guess what needs to happen is people using AI need to be informed on how to use it more accurately so they're actually learning source material and not just taking garbage / cheating on coursework.

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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I feel this, because it’s like I don’t need to know about something, I just need to know how to know about something. Like, the initial contact with a mystery subject is overcome by knowing how to describe the mystery in a way that AI understands what I don’t understand, and seeks to fill in the understanding. An example, I have no clue about React. I do know why I don’t like to use React and why I have avoided it ov…

> But when they came to writing, Theuth said: “O King, here is something that, once learned, will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memory; I have discovered a potion for memory and for wisdom.” Thamus, however, replied: “O most expert Theuth, one man can give birth to the elements of an art, but only another can judge how they can benefit or harm those who will use them. And now, since you are the fath…

That's a interesting and very fitting quote. Basically saying that since we can now write down information, people will get lazier about remembering things. Basically the exact same claim as the submission article.

Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my take as well. There was a story a couple days ago about a neural network built on a single photonic chip. I fed the paper to ChatGPT and was able to use it to develop a much more meaningful and comprehensive understanding of what the chip actually delivered, how it operated, the fundamental operating principles of core components and how it could be integrated into a system. The fact that I now have a tire…

> (hallucination caveats notwithstanding) This is a pretty big caveat to the goal of > develop a much more meaningful and comprehensive understanding Which is still my biggest issue with LLMs. The little I use of them, the answers are still confidently wrong a lot of the time. Has this changed?

I've found them to be quite accurate when given enough context data. For ex, feeding it an article into it's context window and asking questions about it. Relying on the LLM's internal trained knowledge state seems to be less reliable.
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