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He’s an awkward autistic guy. He does awkward stuff. That’s not him being a Nazi.
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Children, influence, perception, politics, ideals, betrayal — all of them are hard topics to talk about and this place is almost certainly not the right place to do so, but perhaps because of that — or perhaps just because — your comment holds a real poignancy for me.
It’s a piece of information that potentially has little to no signal for many people, but for you it is very real, and that made it real for me. Thank you for sharing.
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He’s an awkward autistic guy. He does awkward stuff. That’s not him being a Nazi.
Strong 'Dude he's not a nazi, he needs to endorse the final solution for you to call him that. This is just a wild salute' vibes.
That is 100% doing multiple Nazi salutes. Autism isn't 'Tourettes but with Nazi salutes'.
Re: Falcon 9 Rocket Launch Scrubbed After Delta Air Flies into Restricted Airspace
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Delta seems to have done nothing wrong, they were following incorrect instructions from air traffic control.
Just to play devil's advocate for a second, but as a pilot (even a commercial pilot about to be instructed by ATC) are you not still expected to look up conditions in the area of your flight? I would expect NOTAMs to be a part of that check of the conditions. If you know of the restrictions and ATC instructs you into that area, a quick confirm request about the NOTAM conflict does not seem out of place.
Yes & no, definitely more no for practical reasons. Let me explain;
ATC are ultimately expected to know about restrictions and keep traffic away from them.
NOTAM's are a notorious pain point for nearly all pilots. Modern EFB's make that easier, but in the 121 world - the ops folks handle your routing and plan for that stuff - as a pilot you "trust but verify", and most skim through the all the things (routing, fuels, weather, pax/cargo, notams, SIDS/STARS etc) to make sure that the flight is doable, it's doable safely, and it's "legal".
What you're expecting is a pilot to have a read a NOTAM, memorised all the latitude / longitude co-ordinates that are in the NOTAM for the "grid" that's off limits, and the associated altitudes, know exactly where that is in relation to where they are, and then be able to ask ATC about it a few hours into their flight, when the instruction could be as benign as "Delta 100, turn right heading 040".
Chances are the original routing for the flight kept them safely out of the TFR, but the ATC instruction for whatever sent them through it, even briefly. That instruction could've been for any number of reasons, from weather to traffic, to sequencing to even sidestepping a different restriction of some kind.
Here's a NOTAM for a Starship launch (I don't know if it was for this one specifically, I don't want to use my limited brain cells right now):
B0995/24 NOTAMN MMFR/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/ MMFR 2411181300 2411262300 18-22 25 26 1300-1500 2100-2300, 23 24 1300-1400 2100-2300 DANGEROUS AREA FOR LAUNCHING OF ROCKET STARSHIP SUPER HEAVY ORBITAL TEST FLIGHT 6 LATERAL LIMIT AREA FORMED BY THE UNION OF THE FLW POINTS: 25 52 0.00N 097 11 0.00W 25 18 0.00N 096 30 0.00W 24 39 0.00N 093 13 0.00W 24 10 0.00N 090 17 0.00W 24 57 0.00N 089 36 0.00W 24 27 0.00N 085 58 0.00W 24 09 0.00N 084 11 0.00W 23 39 0.00N 081 10 0.00W 23 07 0.00N 078 45 0.00W 23 35 0.00N 078 36 0.00W 24 19 0.00N 082 13 0.00W 24 50 0.00N 084 33 0.00W 25 20 0.00N 087 20 0.00W 26 47 0.00N 092 60 0.00W 26 38 0.00N 095 39 0.00W 26 27 0.00N 096 32 0.00W 26 10 0.00N 097 11 0.00W 26 00 0.00N 097 14 0.00W 25 52 0.00N 097 11 0.00W MMFR SFC UNLRe: Falcon 9 Rocket Launch Scrubbed After Delta Air Flies into Restricted Airspace
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's should not be ATC's responsibility to call anyone with random checks for NOTAMs to issue. If you want a NOTAM, you call ATC. At least, that's the only way it makes any kind of logical sense.
Please don't post about things you don't know anything about. The internet is muddled enough as it is.
Um, akshually, I do know about this. I've launched balloons to 100,000', and part of the proper procedure for doing this is to notify ATC. Depending on the type of balloon and equipment, you might have to contact them multiple times during the course of the balloon's flight. At a minimum, it is at launch and once you have it on the ground again. I had to notify when our balloon was above controlled air space on ascent, and then again when it was descending and ETA on re-entering controlled air space. We were near an air force base, and ATC relayed our reports to them as well
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#27> Delta: "The Delta crew on flight 480 continues to follow ATC instruction along its journey from Los Angeles (LAX) to Honolulu (HNL). The flight is en route to HNL with no issue.” Apparently ATC (Air Traffic Control) was unaware of the TRF (Temporary Flight Restriction) around Vandenburg for launches. Perhaps this will prompt an improvement in communication and cooperation in future.
BTW, it's written Vandenberg, not Vandenburg as in the article.
The Dutch influence goes far!
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#28This is slightly poetic after the flights diverted due to the Starship debris the other day. Also remind me never to fly Delta.
Delta seems to have done nothing wrong, they were following incorrect instructions from air traffic control.
There is usually a difference between 'did nothing wrong' and primary responsibility.