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I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

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Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

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Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

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Def not making an account on whatever random website heatpumped.org is. Owner of the site needs to stop pretending their the WSJ. Anyways the phrasing of the non-blocked article seems to imply the title is a red herring, and their bill actually went down. I'll never know though.

If you look at the PGE bill that is visible before article gets cut off, his electricity use went way up year over year and his natural gas use went down. I'm guessing he got an electric heat pump to replace his gas furnace, and just pays a lot more per kWh for electricity than he was paying per therm or cuft or whatever of natural gas.

He was out of town for 3 weeks the year before. He then compared to previous years and his use is way down.

Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

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post #12

Only if you have few years worth of data that shows indoor temperature, hvac runtime and how quickly house gains/looses heat, you can figure out if "amazingly efficient heatpump" will run cheaper than gas furnace. Unless electricity is seriously cheap or free

You can energy model it if you have the time.

Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

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post #19

Def not making an account on whatever random website heatpumped.org is. Owner of the site needs to stop pretending their the WSJ. Anyways the phrasing of the non-blocked article seems to imply the title is a red herring, and their bill actually went down. I'll never know though.

Hi there. Author of this post. The content gate is on by default for all of my newsletter content, but I figured out a way to turn it off. You should be able to read the full article now without putting in an email.

Thank you for making your article's text available. This seems to be the key quote people were looking for:

"Many homeowners with heat pumps are likely on the wrong rate plan and paying more than they should. The right plan can make the difference between saving money and spending more money with the exact same equipment."

Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use a temp throwaway email service such as mailinator.com Works most of the time.

I usually put in postmaster@ (e.g. postmaster@heatpumped.org). Eat your own spam, idiot.

Never thought of that, now it will be the first thing I'll try.

Mailinator is great if the website wants you to click a link or enter an OTP to verify whatever it is that they verify.

Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

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post #23
post #12

Only if you have few years worth of data that shows indoor temperature, hvac runtime and how quickly house gains/looses heat, you can figure out if "amazingly efficient heatpump" will run cheaper than gas furnace. Unless electricity is seriously cheap or free

You can energy model it if you have the time.

if you do fresh manual J calculation, with updated design temperature (which in reference manual is still incorrect) and blower door test, than maybe. And it still very theoretical

but realistically, very few people do it when they update hvac system. in fact, most (all?) of hvac installers simply refuse to do it.

Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

#27

Protip. Just insert any valid email into subscription dialog and it instantly unlocks. No need to register.

Great tip indeed. However, please don't use anybody else's email. (No @example.com) Preferably use the domain of the website itself, or of a SEO spam website.

>(No @example.com)

The example.{com,org,net} domain was created for this purpose, of a valid but not real domain.

Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

#28
Transparency is great, but let's not forget that the point of switching to electricity is to be able to use renewables. We only have one nice planet to live on, and there are others who want to keep being able to live comfortably on it, I've heard. Oil/gas is a potent drug that is difficult to vane off of.

(Arguably solar/battery has the same problem as oil: let's dig and refine stuff from the ground, and not care about how to take care of the concentrated product once we're done with it. But to a much lesser extent.)

Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

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post #4

This is both hard to explain to people and hard to get them onboard even once it's been explained and understood. I think more people should think about things this way: I'm building a house now, so am I betting that in 30 years the price of gas will decrease or increase? Will electricity decrease or increase in price? Anyone who has seen a graph of solar, battery, wind, and other renewable power grid solution costs…

> that electricity should decrease in cost over time

On the back of decades of experience - year in, year out the only constant is that utility bills go up. This time it might be different, but I doubt it.

Re: I got a heat pump and my energy bill went up

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use a temp throwaway email service such as mailinator.com Works most of the time.

I usually put in postmaster@ (e.g. postmaster@heatpumped.org). Eat your own spam, idiot.

I usually put in @
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