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Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by nailer »

mschuster91 wrote: post #15
slt2021 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>what the conservatives think DEI actually is Speaking as part of a video that aired during a commercial break for the FOX show 9-1-1 about firefighter capabilities, Larson said, "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place" https://www.newsweek.com/lafd-deputy-chief-faces-backlash-pa... DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualifie…

> DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualified white males Women are perfectly capable of working in firefighting, the military or police. I've personally seen a female police officer of barely 1.60m throw a drunk 2m Russian dude on a rampage in a bar fight onto the ground and tie him up alone , about a solid third of the volunteer force in my THW unit are women, a g…

I’m not sure you read this part of the comment you’re replying to:

> "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place"

You’re making points that women can be physically strong. Nobody is doubting this, the parent was providing evidence that these women themselves say they are not strong.

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by poulpy123 »

I don't care either way since I'm not concerned but I can shake how bizarre and grotesque the switch to and from DEI were. The very recent example of Zuckerberg going full "masculine energy has been neutered by feminine energy" like he is some kind of Andrew Tate influencer is quite unbelievable for the CEO of a 600 billion dollars company

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by tomlockwood »

nailer wrote: post #20
tomlockwood wrote: post #2

I don't quite understand what the conservatives think DEI actually is, because as far as I can tell three women being in leadership positions in the LA fire department is "DEI". It just seems like the new "woke" or "political correctness", and just as vague.

Nobody thinks women being in leadership in the fire department is DEI. Three lesbians being leaders at the same time though (as happened a few years ago) given the small portion of lesbian firefighters seems indicative of bias.

> Nobody thinks women being in leadership in the fire department is DEI.

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1877170586297971157

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by mschuster91 »

nailer wrote: post #21
mschuster91 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualified white males Women are perfectly capable of working in firefighting, the military or police. I've personally seen a female police officer of barely 1.60m throw a drunk 2m Russian dude on a rampage in a bar fight onto the ground and tie him up alone , about a solid third of the volunteer force in my THW unit are women, a g…

I’m not sure you read this part of the comment you’re replying to: > "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place" You’re making points that women can be physically strong. Nobody is doubting this, the parent was providing evidence that these women themselves say they are not strong.

> Nobody is doubting this, the parent was providing evidence that these women themselves say they are not strong.

Yeah and that's where the last sentence with the skill I wrote comes into play. Instead of just "manhandling" said husband and carry him in the front of you, lift him on your back, and anyone too heavy for that will also be too heavy for most male firefighters (bodybuilders are rare, especially in volunteer corps most people will be of average strength and body stature). That's also one part of why firefighters always go in pairs (besides providing backup for personal safety) - you never know who and what you come across.

Besides: Carrying a person in front of oneself is a movie cliche about firefighters, it's extremely rare to see it in practice and banned outside of actual life-and-death emergencies because it's dangerous as fuck - trip over a hose or debris and suddenly you're falling with the full weight of you and your gear onto the already injured person, possibly injuring yourself in the process. Not nice.

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by Angostura »

slt2021 wrote: post #8
tomlockwood wrote: post #2

I don't quite understand what the conservatives think DEI actually is, because as far as I can tell three women being in leadership positions in the LA fire department is "DEI". It just seems like the new "woke" or "political correctness", and just as vague.

>what the conservatives think DEI actually is Speaking as part of a video that aired during a commercial break for the FOX show 9-1-1 about firefighter capabilities, Larson said, "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place" https://www.newsweek.com/lafd-deputy-chief-faces-backlash-pa... DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualifie…

DEI means, thinking about your hiring practices and looking hard at yourself if the population of people you hire is out of proportion with the general population.

DEI can be implemented badly, but that doesn’t mean that DEI is bad

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by PedroBatista »

poulpy123 wrote: post #22

I don't care either way since I'm not concerned but I can shake how bizarre and grotesque the switch to and from DEI were. The very recent example of Zuckerberg going full "masculine energy has been neutered by feminine energy" like he is some kind of Andrew Tate influencer is quite unbelievable for the CEO of a 600 billion dollars company

I understand his words and he has a bit of a point in his context. I question his motives, everything he says and the obvious army of “bros” who are just as bad and juvenile as the blue haired woke ones. It’s sad to see most adult dynamics it’s just high school with money and fatter.

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by lupusreal »

poulpy123 wrote: post #22

I don't care either way since I'm not concerned but I can shake how bizarre and grotesque the switch to and from DEI were. The very recent example of Zuckerberg going full "masculine energy has been neutered by feminine energy" like he is some kind of Andrew Tate influencer is quite unbelievable for the CEO of a 600 billion dollars company

The rapid switch is indicative of widespread preference falsification followed by a preference cascade. Basically, people where sick of DEI for a long time but stayed quiet about it because they were afraid of reprisal for speaking out and didn't know they had numbers on their side because everybody else was staying quiet about it too. This is a condition which can last for decades, but once the dam breaks it breaks fast.

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by poulpy123 »

tomlockwood wrote: post #2

I don't quite understand what the conservatives think DEI actually is, because as far as I can tell three women being in leadership positions in the LA fire department is "DEI". It just seems like the new "woke" or "political correctness", and just as vague.

DEI is focusing on the identity of the person instead of the abilities/programs/skills/work related arguments. When the LAFD communicates that the LGBT status of the 3 heads of the department they signals it's the reason they got hired to this position. if you add absurd communication like saying it's better to be rescued by someone that looks like you or that the first thing you'll say to someone you want to rescue is "it is you fault" and let's be honest outright lies by conservative, you have the recipe for a catastrophic drama as soon a the conditions are here

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by inglor_cz »

mschuster91 wrote: post #15
slt2021 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>what the conservatives think DEI actually is Speaking as part of a video that aired during a commercial break for the FOX show 9-1-1 about firefighter capabilities, Larson said, "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place" https://www.newsweek.com/lafd-deputy-chief-faces-backlash-pa... DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualifie…

> DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualified white males Women are perfectly capable of working in firefighting, the military or police. I've personally seen a female police officer of barely 1.60m throw a drunk 2m Russian dude on a rampage in a bar fight onto the ground and tie him up alone , about a solid third of the volunteer force in my THW unit are women, a g…

Existence of some counterexamples does not upend the basic observation: that way, way fewer women are capable of carrying a 100 or even a 60 kg person out of a fire than men.

Which makes efforts to recruit as many women into firefighting as possible a sad ideological travesty, and people are perfectly right calling it out. There is a difference between emancipation and group delusion. There are meaningful physical differences between the sexes, and everyone knows that, even people who try to engage in sophistry when it comes to this topic.

BTW the IDF, which conscripts women out of necessity, tries to keep them away from the most dangerous combat roles, and employs them mostly in support roles. Your description is very misleading. The vast majority of the really dangerous stuff in IDF is still done by men, not least because of the risk of rape when falling into hands of enemies. IIRC only about 1 in 20 of the "enemy-facing" IDF soldiers like helicopter pilots are female.

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by snehk »

Angostura wrote: post #25
slt2021 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>what the conservatives think DEI actually is Speaking as part of a video that aired during a commercial break for the FOX show 9-1-1 about firefighter capabilities, Larson said, "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place" https://www.newsweek.com/lafd-deputy-chief-faces-backlash-pa... DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualifie…

DEI means, thinking about your hiring practices and looking hard at yourself if the population of people you hire is out of proportion with the general population. DEI can be implemented badly, but that doesn’t mean that DEI is bad

And a true Scotsman would know this.
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