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I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by rollcat »

znpy wrote: post #15
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #3

> Unfortunately, I'll have to say goodbye to Docker, which isn't available on FreeBSD, They've got podman now:)

> They've got podman now:) honest question: is it any stable? I ask because last time I read about podman on FreeBSD it was at like alpha/pre-beta stage of development.

The Docker client (cli) is easy to port - it's mostly just an elaborate frontend to the socket/API. Every other OS just runs Linux in a VM. Focusing on integrating the VM with the usual development workflow is the lowest hanging fruit, provides the best ROI, and is relatively future-proof.

Unless you mean running containers in production - I think OCI is a much better target in that case.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by blueflow »

the-grump wrote: post #18
blueflow wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> History never stops. Things change. Linux changes. To the better, right? Right? The last two years yielded so horrible regressions to me that I'm again considering giving up on Linux.

First, what distro are you on? Second, have you tried windows or macOS recently?

Distro doesn't matter that much, its mostly the desktop environment (panels and settings), and kernel regressions. Like half of my thinkpad fleet now boots into a blank screen due to an regression in the Linux i915 driver.

I used to run Alpine Linux on servers, decided i wanted to change to something less exotic and found that Debian is no less buggy. No idea how to go on.

Windows is consistently worse, i haven't tried macOS as it is not really popular here.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by rollcat »

anonymousiam wrote: post #16

As a Linux console user since 1991, my biggest disappointment was the removal of console scroll-back (removed in 5.9). One can still use "screen" to to scroll back, but it just isn't the same. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/714692/how-to-scrol...

IMHO good riddance. The VGA console is about as useful as the serial console - your escape hatch when everything else fails. If you're allergic to X11/Wayland, the framebuffer console is much more featureful (it displays cute penguins in the top left corner!)

But (again, IMHO) you can also just run alacritty in cage or a patched dwm. Comes useful when somebody sends you a cat picture.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by homebrewer »

notpublic wrote: post #20
znpy wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They've got podman now:) honest question: is it any stable? I ask because last time I read about podman on FreeBSD it was at like alpha/pre-beta stage of development.

I have been using it for more than a year now in both production and at home. So far so good. Even GPU works out of the box in rootless mode without requiring any special privileges. edit: Redhat in production and Debian at home

I think the question was about using podman on FreeBSD, which is the first time I'm hearing about it:

https://docs.vultr.com/how-to-install-podman-on-freebsd-14-0

Looks like it isn't using virtualization (unlike the crutches forced on users of the two major commercial OSes), which is great.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by [deleted] »

rollcat wrote: post #23
anonymousiam wrote: post #16

As a Linux console user since 1991, my biggest disappointment was the removal of console scroll-back (removed in 5.9). One can still use "screen" to to scroll back, but it just isn't the same. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/714692/how-to-scrol...

IMHO good riddance. The VGA console is about as useful as the serial console - your escape hatch when everything else fails. If you're allergic to X11/Wayland, the framebuffer console is much more featureful (it displays cute penguins in the top left corner!) But (again, IMHO) you can also just run alacritty in cage or a patched dwm. Comes useful when somebody sends you a cat picture.

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Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by homebrewer »

Ologn wrote: post #19

I learned how to do some things in a Unix shell in 1989, like cat, sort, uniq, and piping them together. Now it is 2025, and I am still doing those things, on the Linux box I am typing on now, or some servers I log onto, or in the shell of the MacBook Pro I sometimes use. Whereas I use an IDE to program Android - in 2011 I was using Eclipse with an Android Developer tool plugin. Then in 2014 Android Studio became the…

It's easy to remap keybinds in IDEA, or you can just export and import them wholesale (along with all other settings). The settings can be synchronized through their server or your own git repository so you don't have to do it manually.

IDEA is pretty stable overall, I've been using the same dev workflow for maybe 13-14 years now?

edit: idea == android studio in this case, there's very little difference between them.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by homebrewer »

blueflow wrote: post #22
the-grump wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, what distro are you on? Second, have you tried windows or macOS recently?

Distro doesn't matter that much, its mostly the desktop environment (panels and settings), and kernel regressions. Like half of my thinkpad fleet now boots into a blank screen due to an regression in the Linux i915 driver. I used to run Alpine Linux on servers, decided i wanted to change to something less exotic and found that Debian is no less buggy. No idea how to go on. Windows is consistently worse, i haven't tri…

Try linux-lts. The latest "stable" releases of the kernel (since 6.10 onwards) have felt like they weren't tested at all, major regressions in every single version. I report them, but new problems keep coming. Never seen anything like that in two decades of being a mostly/only linux user.

The lts is fine, no problems at all.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by motaforever2019 »

doubled112 wrote: post #12
TylerLives wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was installing Arch.

Arch is easy to install. I just wrote 200 or so lines of shell scripts to bootstrap it and hand the rest of the setup over to Ansible in a chroot. /s in case

You joke but this is what I have on 3-4 machines that I maintain (a laptop and desktop each for work and personal). And it has saved my butt at least four to five in last 6 years when my drives failed.

While 4 to 5 times doesn't seem a lot, I was able to get back to full speed within two hours of my drives failing resulting in almost zero downtime.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by redundantly »

homebrewer wrote: post #24
notpublic wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using it for more than a year now in both production and at home. So far so good. Even GPU works out of the box in rootless mode without requiring any special privileges. edit: Redhat in production and Debian at home

I think the question was about using podman on FreeBSD, which is the first time I'm hearing about it: https://docs.vultr.com/how-to-install-podman-on-freebsd-14-0 Looks like it isn't using virtualization (unlike the crutches forced on users of the two major commercial OSes), which is great.

It can't run Linux based images, you have to find images compatible with FreeBSD or build your own.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by blueflow »

homebrewer wrote: post #27
blueflow wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Distro doesn't matter that much, its mostly the desktop environment (panels and settings), and kernel regressions. Like half of my thinkpad fleet now boots into a blank screen due to an regression in the Linux i915 driver. I used to run Alpine Linux on servers, decided i wanted to change to something less exotic and found that Debian is no less buggy. No idea how to go on. Windows is consistently worse, i haven't tri…

Try linux-lts. The latest "stable" releases of the kernel (since 6.10 onwards) have felt like they weren't tested at all, major regressions in every single version. I report them, but new problems keep coming. Never seen anything like that in two decades of being a mostly/only linux user. The lts is fine, no problems at all.

I see Alpine 3.20 still ships 6.6, I'll grab an ISO and check if works, thanks!
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