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A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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"The 300 search plan unfortunately just isn’t a very pleasant experience. I’d find myself wincing any time I accidentally typed a query I already knew the result of like Serious Eats Channa Masala into Kagi’s search during my metered month" "...do yourself a favor and jump straight into the $10 USD per month plan"

This exactly. I love using Kagi and felt the relief sweep over me when I went to unlimited. Well worth it to me.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

Can't say I understand how $10/month is expensive.

Quality search results ultimately save time digging through poor quality search results. Add up 300+ searches per month and surely you're hitting minimum wage value at least.

The value proposition is absolutely there at $10.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#24

How well does Kagi work for places outside the US and non-English languages? I've only ever seen it mentioned by US users, so I have no clue how support is elsewhere. I briefly tried duckduckgo and its non-US/non-english search results seemed to be lacking (though this was about 2 years ago).

Unfortunately this is a major blind spot for Kagi. I am hoping they fix it soon. Forum thread: https://kagifeedback.org/d/3022-ideas-for-improving-localint...

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#25
I have been using if for a year, with the LLMs and the facets and keywords. I have used google only a couple times when I couldn't find things easily and google was much much worse for my queries so I continued to ignore it.

I have reported a few issues to the Kagi team, their feedback system is super easy, they update you at every step of the process and they fixed everything (always minor issues) in about a week every time, plus you get a changelog of everything that changed.

I have made on average 1000 searches a month and never got frustrated by it, every time I stumbled upon a SEO-farming crapsite, I just filter it out to never see it again.

Excellent experience.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

Unless you're a really heavy user, you can possibly save a lot on those LLM bills by using the API and some third party app. (Like Msty for example)

This is true for me, except I don’t want to run another app, and I like using Claude on mobile.

But the API is tempting for a cost savings.

I put $5 in API for “Continue” extension in VS Code and it’s been months and haven’t used it all up yet.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#27

How well does Kagi work for places outside the US and non-English languages? I've only ever seen it mentioned by US users, so I have no clue how support is elsewhere. I briefly tried duckduckgo and its non-US/non-english search results seemed to be lacking (though this was about 2 years ago).

That's exactly where Kagi is so-and-so: Google is much better at focusing results on locality rather than just language.

For instance, a search for Serbian terms will frequently turn up Croatian sites (they are largely the same language), which is not necessarily a problem unless you are looking to get a product locally or for a local place.

Google also does a better job of accepting both Cyrillic and Latin script (Serbian uses both, Croatian only the Latin script) for search terms and finding results in either script (a good test is to type something in Cyrillic and get results on a Croatian page), and I do not get results in Bulgarian or Russian (also using Cyrillic).

Kagi does some of that, but it's obviously a bit worse.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#28
Kagi Ultimate subscriber here (even got the t-shirt) and I love it. The other comments are all pretty spot-on.

I'll add that I adore the summarization feature and use it all the time with a bookmarklet (both on desktop and mobile). It's amazing for cutting to the chase of recommended links and YouTube videos (and for plopping the big ideas into Logseq, nvAlt, Obsidian, et cetera).

Big ups.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#29

How well does Kagi work for places outside the US and non-English languages? I've only ever seen it mentioned by US users, so I have no clue how support is elsewhere. I briefly tried duckduckgo and its non-US/non-english search results seemed to be lacking (though this was about 2 years ago).

I've found it's got a lot better in the last year as a user from the UK.

Still English, but the results are a better fit.

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