Live data from Hacker News

Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

scripting.com

21–30 of 34 posts

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#21
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the slight correction that it's "ergo LoC should probably try to archive the web before it tries to archive twitter". But yeah, that's the gist of it. But so what? That doesn't mean it's an invalid argument. In fact, I'm inclined to agree with it.

If they had a good process for archiving blogs on the open web, then I wouldn't have a problem with extending that to Twitter.

[deleted]

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#22
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you miss the note? http://scripting.com/stories/2012/07/17/whyTheLocArchivingTw... "(Note: I mean bloggers. The equivalent content that's on Twitter, but not in a corporate blogging silo.)"

Did you miss the last word of his quote?

No I didn't. But I also noted it was the last word. :-)

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#23
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you miss the last word of his quote?

No I didn't. But I also noted it was the last word. :-)

LoC is one of the organizing members of this: http://www.netpreserve.org/about/index.php

The mission of the International Internet Preservation Consortium (IIPC) is to acquire, preserve and make accessible knowledge and information from the Internet for future generations everywhere, promoting global exchange and international relations.

They've got a working group working on smart crawlers right now. If you've got some good ideas for making it easier to archive blogs, perhaps you should consider contributing.

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#24
post #16

LoC archives Twitter because only LoC can archive Twitter. Other projects, notably the Internet Archive, already archive open web sites including blogs. But IA doesn't have a hope of archiving Twitter. LoC arranged this because if they didn't, no one would have a Twitter archive.

I think LoC has partnered with the Internet Archive in the past, but now they're planning a much more ambitious version at http://www.netpreserve.org/about/index.php

LoC is actually relatively forward-thinking when it comes to digital archiving. For example, for a while now they've been encouraging people to digitize archives of their own personal data: http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/personalarchiving/

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#25
I think the advantage Twitter gets from being archived is greatly overestimated here. How many people actually consider that when they decide to sign up for Twitter? I'm also skeptical that Twitter is an alternative to a traditional blog. The 140 character limit doesn't really let you replace a blog if that's what you want to do. I think most people who want to blog would have a blog in addition to Twitter. Likewise, people on Twitter who don't have a blog, probably just wouldn't publish anything at all in the absence of Twitter, so it's a net gain in that respect.

Finally, Twitter does have a corporate API, isn't most of it accessible through the open web any way? Any user's profile can be accessed through the website unless they've specifically restricted it.

And generally, I don't see the point in NOT archiving something if you can. Sure it's fine to argue that other things should be archived first, but if someone is going to archive something, why stop them? We only gain by having a more complete and accurate historical record.

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#26
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you miss the last word of his quote?

No I didn't. But I also noted it was the last word. :-)

So your complaint is not that they don't archive blogs, but that they don't list it first among that which they archive?

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#27
Tweets can detail events of local, national and global importance which may only have value in hindsight. To risk losing a stream of tweets regarding a milestone event because you don't like Twitter's API policy seems quite small sighted.

99.9999% of what comes through twitter is wasted bits. I still see value in archiving it all to guarantee capturing a real time log of an historic election, the death of a notable person, the announcement of a major discovery, or the day to day thoughts during a protest or revolution.

We have 19th century diaries detailing a rector's daily meals for his entire adult life while we have recovered nearly nothing regarding the poor living in slums in London, except through the distant scornful commentary of the gentry.

The LoC shouldn't be endorsing Twitter as a company, but the users of Twitter have endorsed it by logging the course of human events.

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#28
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I didn't. But I also noted it was the last word. :-)

So your complaint is not that they don't archive blogs, but that they don't list it first among that which they archive?

I wrote a blog post that explains my point of view, it's linked to at the beginning of this thread.

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#29
post #16

LoC archives Twitter because only LoC can archive Twitter. Other projects, notably the Internet Archive, already archive open web sites including blogs. But IA doesn't have a hope of archiving Twitter. LoC arranged this because if they didn't, no one would have a Twitter archive.

You could also argue that as a government agency the LoC should prioritize important archiving tasks that aren’t already being done by the private/non-profit sector. Despite being a corporate controlled medium, Twitter is still an important communication medium and should be archived. For whatever reason, others aren’t doing it, so it’s an obvious thing for LoC to do.

Re: Why the Library of Congress is wrong to archive Twitter

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well there certainly is a business advantage. Or why would Twitter have done it, and done a big rollout of the deal (I believe it was at SXSW). It was a huge publicity bonanza, the message was that Twitter is Historic. Don't believe us, believe the Library of Congress. They didn't do it out of altruism, they did it because it was excellent publicity. (Probably the LOC did it for that reason too.) And we have a say in…

Well there certainly is a business advantage. Or why would Twitter have done it, and done a big rollout of the deal You cannot assume companies always act logically. In this case they could have agreed to it just because it was "cool". They didn't do it out of altruism, they did it because it was excellent publicity. This is probably accurate, but it doesn't give them a long term advantage. It probably gave them a sm…

>>the government arbitrarily "subsidizes" businesses constantly

And people object to it constantly.

Post reply on HN