“I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes” - Thoreau
Thoreau was a phony who’s mom washed his clothes
Do It in Jeans First
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
People overestimate their risk of an extreme situation occurring while hiking and underestimate their risk of being in an extreme situation in everyday life. They are roughly equal. So if you were really that concerned, you’d be wearing hiking pants everywhere, even when not hiking.
What? I’m a lot more likely to get cold and wet with no access to dry shelter 3 days into a 7 day thru hike in the Sierras than when I’m within a 15 minute walk of my car in the city.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
People overestimate their risk of an extreme situation occurring while hiking and underestimate their risk of being in an extreme situation in everyday life. They are roughly equal. So if you were really that concerned, you’d be wearing hiking pants everywhere, even when not hiking.
What? I’m a lot more likely to get cold and wet with no access to dry shelter 3 days into a 7 day thru hike in the Sierras than when I’m within a 15 minute walk of my car in the city.
or in London.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
People overestimate their risk of an extreme situation occurring while hiking and underestimate their risk of being in an extreme situation in everyday life. They are roughly equal. So if you were really that concerned, you’d be wearing hiking pants everywhere, even when not hiking.
What? I’m a lot more likely to get cold and wet with no access to dry shelter 3 days into a 7 day thru hike in the Sierras than when I’m within a 15 minute walk of my car in the city.
The situation the author describes sounds like a summer day hike in subalpine terrain at Rainier. I’d do that in a cotton hoodie and jeans, and I recreate in that part of the cascades 12 months a year. Our forecasts are some of the best in the world, and even if they missed the solution to getting rained on in July on a day hike is to walk back to your car a little damp and disgruntled.
Your example actually makes his point almost exactly. The 7 day thru hike is akin to when hiring a data engineering team and investing super heavily makes sense, the day hike is when you’re chatting with users and figuring out the domain. The “wrong” tools are less consequential at the start and when the stakes are lower.
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#25I didn't wear cleats until I was almost 14 playing baseball.. I just used tennis shoes.. some of my friends gave me a hard time about it. I could hit dingers all day so no big deal.
But you know what. I wore a helmet at every at bat. Did I really need it for every at bat?? No; But I had it.
There's a long list of dead people who went into the wilderness or hiking under prepared. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean the same outcome for others.. I know this is supposed to be a metaphor for when to buy and upgrade the tools you have. But safety should always come first.
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#26Chances are, your first hike won't be under circumstances where it's dangerous to wear jeans or have the wrong gear. Also, the drawbacks of jeans can be experienced just going for a walk or being outdoors year-round. I hiked in jeans or shorts until I was about 50. Today, I wear hiking pants instead of jeans for everyday life. The benefits are noticeable. They last a lot longer, don't take stains as easily (bike chai…
They last a lot longer? What hiking pants do you use?
So far, just basic REI and LLBean store brand. Non stretch fabrics -- I'm too old to look good in tight pants.
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#27Aka “let’s do it all in Excel”
This is an impressively high sick-burns-to-words ratio, well done!
“I don't need to make an LLC” also pings way too hard here.
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#28Chances are, your first hike won't be under circumstances where it's dangerous to wear jeans or have the wrong gear. Also, the drawbacks of jeans can be experienced just going for a walk or being outdoors year-round. I hiked in jeans or shorts until I was about 50. Today, I wear hiking pants instead of jeans for everyday life. The benefits are noticeable. They last a lot longer, don't take stains as easily (bike chai…
Being synthetic, they also release microplastics into our freshwater when you wash them. I do my mountainbike trailriding in jeans. Have never experienced much of a downside. Also, big plus: jeans look rad when you patch and mend and dirty them!
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#29But jeans are terrible in the extreme situations that could happen while hiking, and can worsen the risk of hypothermia if you end up in such a situation, potentially causing death when you might otherwise have endured. Thats why people tell you not to hike in jeans, you don't need 'special' pants, just 'not jeans (or any other pants made from similar wet-trapping materials)'.
There are pants that look like jeans and feel a little bit like them - athleisure - that probably don't have this limitation.
I had a pair. I wish I knew how to identify them because searching for athleisure jeans is turning up traditional jeans as well, including slim fit which would be worse. Maybe non-denim jeans.
Edit: I think the brand was Prana. Maybe they were denim, but "performance denim". Is all denim unwieldly in extreme situations? My jeans like this felt different, to where I might like them significantly more or significantly less based on what sort of pants I felt like wearing on a given day. They seemed a lot more like pants and less like jeans. https://www.prana.com/men/bottoms/denim.html?srsltid=AfmBOoq...
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#30I didn't wear cleats until I was almost 14 playing baseball.. I just used tennis shoes.. some of my friends gave me a hard time about it. I could hit dingers all day so no big deal. But you know what. I wore a helmet at every at bat. Did I really need it for every at bat?? No; But I had it. There's a long list of dead people who went into the wilderness or hiking under prepared. Just because it didn't happen to you d…
Know how many 9 year olds I’ve seen hit in the head with a baseball, while at bat? (Many. One kid on my sons team was hit in the head for four consecutive tournaments last fall.)
Always wear a helmet when you’ve got a bat in your hand.