Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]

Post by demarq » Tue, Dec 31, 2024, 2:08 PM UTC

jedimind wrote: post #14

i_am_a_peasant wrote: post #13

Oof, most people in tech's take on Israel that I ever met usually are along the lines of "I'm not touching that". I'm not gonna pretend I'm on some moral high ground or whatever. As a Jew I'm just happy I wasn't actually born in Israel and didn't inherit all the problems that come with it. Before Oct 7 I was seeing more and more of the arab world normalize relations with Israel. Now it's all gone down the drain again…

>My position on the whole conflict is along the lines of "everybody sucks". That's like calling the holocaust a "conflict" and that in that "conflict" everybody sucked. That's the kind of bothsidesism you would have gotten away with before Israel's genocide[1] of Palestinians which led people to studying the history[2] of Palestine and the history of Zionism and realizing that this "conflict" is not some random accid…

Post by jedimind » Tue, Dec 31, 2024, 2:25 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #18

ofcourseyoudo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was wrong about some things and right about Zionism. This didn't need to be a random dude's walk through Russell's wikipedia page because there's a perfectly fine link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell "No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate…

Honest question: Were they expelled, or did they flee? Or some of both? I think the difference matters. "I'm not living with those people in charge" and then fighting for the better part of a century to throw them out, gets less sympathy from me than "they threw me out". On the other hand, I have some sympathy for Cuban exiles, so maybe I'm inconsistent...

Post by znpy » Tue, Dec 31, 2024, 2:40 PM UTC

throwaway290 wrote: post #3

This doesn't need to be a link to some random dude's video because there's a perfectly fine Wikipedia article about Bertrand Russell and his views. He held a variety of views and I hope this particular dude doesn't intend to paint Russell as source of truth. > In 1929, he wrote that people deemed "mentally defective" and "feebleminded" should be sexually sterilised because they "are apt to have enormous numbers of il…

Post by i_am_a_peasant » Tue, Dec 31, 2024, 2:44 PM UTC

jedimind wrote: post #14

i_am_a_peasant wrote: post #13

Oof, most people in tech's take on Israel that I ever met usually are along the lines of "I'm not touching that". I'm not gonna pretend I'm on some moral high ground or whatever. As a Jew I'm just happy I wasn't actually born in Israel and didn't inherit all the problems that come with it. Before Oct 7 I was seeing more and more of the arab world normalize relations with Israel. Now it's all gone down the drain again…

>My position on the whole conflict is along the lines of "everybody sucks". That's like calling the holocaust a "conflict" and that in that "conflict" everybody sucked. That's the kind of bothsidesism you would have gotten away with before Israel's genocide[1] of Palestinians which led people to studying the history[2] of Palestine and the history of Zionism and realizing that this "conflict" is not some random accid…

Post by throwaway290 » Tue, Dec 31, 2024, 2:53 PM UTC

znpy wrote: post #25

throwaway290 wrote: post #3

This doesn't need to be a link to some random dude's video because there's a perfectly fine Wikipedia article about Bertrand Russell and his views. He held a variety of views and I hope this particular dude doesn't intend to paint Russell as source of truth. > In 1929, he wrote that people deemed "mentally defective" and "feebleminded" should be sexually sterilised because they "are apt to have enormous numbers of il…

I'm not surprised. People will cut and paste and just take/use the pieces of facts/opinions/history that support their political opinions, and ignore the rest and the whole context. It happens with dead people as well as with people currently alive. Some get cancelled, some don't. It's largely arbitrary. EDIT: i'm not taking sides in this specific topic, just a comment on the pattern of behavior that i see across var…