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Piracy in the UK: the failed war on illegal content

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Re: Piracy in the UK: the failed war on illegal content

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Post by jdietrich »

bigfatkitten wrote: post #19
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>No one wants to steal any content, they view content elsewhere due to ludicrous rights management systems on digital video content. Actually I think they do. The median salary is quite low in the UK so there are a lot of people for whom piracy is an economic act rather than being about DRM.

The cost of internet connectivity is a much larger barrier than any one of the streaming services. If you can't download anything substantial without blowing your mobile data cap, you're not going to do much piracy; you're going to buy £5 DVDs.

If you're on a low income, you can get fixed broadband or unlimited mobile data for around £15 a month.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-and-broadband/saving-money/s...

Re: Piracy in the UK: the failed war on illegal content

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Post by ktallett »

phantompeace wrote: post #18
crote wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense. A Spotify Premium or 1080p Netflix subscription costs one hour of work at UK minimum wage. If you're willing to settle for ads you can get Spotify for free, or Netflix for the cost of a single pint of beer. That's incredibly cheap entertainment, if you're not too picky. I pay for a Spotify Premium subscription. It has 99% of the music I want to listen to, and it works on all my devices - including Linux. I…

Then you’re limited to Netflix’s country specific availability which is subject to change constantly. With piracy, you download it, you keep it. Job done.

TV being bough/rented by different license holders per region whilst music being owned by license holders worldwide is a key issue.

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Post by Eavolution »

I truly believe that it's the user experience that makes the difference between lots of piracy, and very little. Take video games as an example, they're hardly cheap, however other than retro games that are difficult to play otherwise, almost everyone just buys the game on steam/gog/epic/whatever, because the experience for most people is:

1. Open Steam 2. Search for game 3. Buy game 4. Play game

Whereas if I want to watch a movie, I honestly don't even know where to start looking for it, there's no simple way to just pay for it on the movie app, keep it forever, download it, and watch it when you want. You have to do this ritual of finding what streaming service it's actually on, hope you have a subscription to it, if not subscribe to it, probably find it's not even available in your region, and if the stars align you might be able to watch your film for the next 30 days.

Or you can go on one of the many pirate sites, search for the movie, click the play/download button, and you're sorted.

I do pirate movies quite frequently, but moreso because it's the only realistic way to type a name into a search bar and just play the damn thing.

Re: Piracy in the UK: the failed war on illegal content

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Post by benbristow »

jdietrich wrote: post #20
crote wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense. A Spotify Premium or 1080p Netflix subscription costs one hour of work at UK minimum wage. If you're willing to settle for ads you can get Spotify for free, or Netflix for the cost of a single pint of beer. That's incredibly cheap entertainment, if you're not too picky. I pay for a Spotify Premium subscription. It has 99% of the music I want to listen to, and it works on all my devices - including Linux. I…

>Nonsense. A Spotify Premium or 1080p Netflix subscription costs one hour of work at UK minimum wage. If you're willing to settle for ads you can get Spotify for free, or Netflix for the cost of a single pint of beer. That's incredibly cheap entertainment, if you're not too picky. The problem is the proliferation of different streaming services. Your friend recommends Slow Horses , which is on Apple TV+. Another reco…

Don't forget the 3PM Saturday blackout in the UK where you can't watch any football matches on TV, even if you pay for Sky Sports/TNT/Amazon Prime...

... unless you have an IPTV subscription where you can stream all the games from a foreign TV channel with English commentary.

The idea with the blackout being that it encourages you go to physical games but Premiership games good luck getting tickets for those (even if you do they're extortionate) or go to local games which you might not be as interested in.

Re: Piracy in the UK: the failed war on illegal content

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Post by adamm255 »

phantompeace wrote: post #18
crote wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense. A Spotify Premium or 1080p Netflix subscription costs one hour of work at UK minimum wage. If you're willing to settle for ads you can get Spotify for free, or Netflix for the cost of a single pint of beer. That's incredibly cheap entertainment, if you're not too picky. I pay for a Spotify Premium subscription. It has 99% of the music I want to listen to, and it works on all my devices - including Linux. I…

Then you’re limited to Netflix’s country specific availability which is subject to change constantly. With piracy, you download it, you keep it. Job done.

The subject to change bit is what’s getting me.

After paying probably over £1400 for Netflix in 11 years, you’re rewarded with the films you want leaving, having half of a box set starting half way through. That said, in purchasing media, you’d only get 1 film a month, maybe 2, for the cost of a Netflix sub…

I’ve only seen one album get removed from Spotify since I started using it, so the landscape there is a bit more universal. You want music, it’s on Apple, Spotify, etc.

You want a movie… well. Might be on Netflix, or moved to Disney+. Oh yay, it’s on Prime Video, but on no, it’s for bloody rent.

This is why piracy will continue. If we had a Spotify of Movies, which is what Netflix was, people would pay.

I’ve seen a lot of folks on other forums say that a lot of their classic favourites aren’t on any service (people wanting to watch over the holidays), so resorted to the DVD.

Re: Piracy in the UK: the failed war on illegal content

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Post by aucisson_masque »

People are getting poorer while rich are getting richer, any government that would try to fight on piracy is just asking to get ousted.

That's why countries like Russia for instance are so lackluster on piracy, they sure have ways to monitor their citizens but they know very well that you don't mess with entertainment.

Romans knew that thousands of years ago, you would have to be the biggest bell end to not understand that.

> five people were jailed for more than 30 years for selling subscriptions to illegal streaming networks.

Rapist get between 10 and 20 in my country, murder is around 20 and only assassination is getting to 30. In what civilized countries is selling illegal streaming subscription worth 30 years of jail ?

After searching internet, Seems like they were 5 and each got around 6 years, so it's 30 years total. Makes more sense, don't know if the wording was bad or my brain tired.

Re: Piracy in the UK: the failed war on illegal content

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Post by climb_stealth »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #29

People are getting poorer while rich are getting richer, any government that would try to fight on piracy is just asking to get ousted. That's why countries like Russia for instance are so lackluster on piracy, they sure have ways to monitor their citizens but they know very well that you don't mess with entertainment. Romans knew that thousands of years ago, you would have to be the biggest bell end to not understan…

My vote goes to that sentence being terrible. It's like saying I was at the beach with my family for 12 hours. But we were there for 3 hours and there are 4 of us...
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