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38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by sourcepluck »

Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

I think it's great. I've good passable German, not enough to really follow the details of a fast-paced, complicated talk, so I'm practically shut off from German media (at this level, anyway). But still, diversity is good, and the American-Anglification of all things cultural and linguistical is not necessarily a net positive.

As in, I'm aware there's good points to it, but it's not an entirely clear picture, and some alternative things existing is probably good. How many 12-year old Germans who dislike English for one reason or another found CCC and had major positive changes occur in their lives, ya know.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by croemer »

dewey wrote: post #14
Zolomon wrote: post #5

The ticketing system was horrible, it really was not fair this year around.

If you are part of a hacker space you could always get tickets through that quite easily. I think it’s great that they are supporting their original core audience like that.

I tried to become member of my local one and they never replied to my application for membership.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by jazzyjackson »

sevg wrote: post #6
Zolomon wrote: post #5

The ticketing system was horrible, it really was not fair this year around.

Out of curiosity, what was horrible and unfair about it? (Genuine question, I don’t know anything about how it was done.)

It's really a pretty strong web of trust system, if you know anyone who's volunteered previous years there are vouchers floating around by word of mouth.

If you don't know anyone in the community, purchasing a ticket online is a crapshoot. IMO this is a feature not a bug.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by [deleted] »

Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by ralfd »

dtquad wrote: post #10

38 years of advocacy for more degrowth and regulations in Europe.

Your snark is a bit unfair. But I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. I guess it shows the power differential between US vs Europe/Germany and also the difference between disrupting American and risk-averse European culture? Super smart people in the Bay Area found startups to get rich (and invent the future). Super smart people in Germany can only go into academia and research how to decolonize digital activism.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by Eduard »

sevg wrote: post #6
Zolomon wrote: post #5

The ticketing system was horrible, it really was not fair this year around.

Out of curiosity, what was horrible and unfair about it? (Genuine question, I don’t know anything about how it was done.)

first come first serve principle on three occasions.

refresh the browser a few milliseconds too late, and you will not be able to get a ticket.

The "slide the slider" captcha is an accessibility barrier.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by dewey »

croemer wrote: post #22
dewey wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are part of a hacker space you could always get tickets through that quite easily. I think it’s great that they are supporting their original core audience like that.

I tried to become member of my local one and they never replied to my application for membership.

Have you checked if they have an open day? Many have a dedicated public day every week where you can just drop by and if you are interested someone will probably happily assist you with becoming a member.

Otherwise joining their IRC and asking there could also be an option.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

croemer wrote: post #22
dewey wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are part of a hacker space you could always get tickets through that quite easily. I think it’s great that they are supporting their original core audience like that.

I tried to become member of my local one and they never replied to my application for membership.

Try showing up physically on their open evenings, which most spaces have.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by Sebb767 »

hengheng wrote: post #20
sneak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because people are good at English doesn't mean their English skills are up to giving a permanently-archived talk to tens of thousands of people at the 1st or 2nd most important hacker con on the planet. I'm all for giving a presentation in the language you're best at. Let machine translation (or manual translation) pick up the slack, not one person's possibly-mediocre ESL skills. I also can speak German but I a…

I'm a native speaker and I hate how people have been stumbling through their presentations, lacking basic vocabulary, being dragged along by their bullet points. It wasn't even the accent, it was that the language occupied their minds so much that they couldn't think about what they had to say or how they were saying it. Lots of talks felt like watching a ninth grader in front of the classroom. Now some of these guys…

> Please, CCC, don't send these people on a stage that they don't enjoy when you could also work with them to get their stuff across.

The speakers are not selected by the CCC; they have to apply with a synopsis of their talk.

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