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Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Post by pyr0hu »

throwaway743 wrote: post #11

So sick of dealing with Google, between this, the play store, admob, etc. They'll punish you for the slightest things, have zero meaningful customer service/means of recourse, and in many cases don't have a way to even reach out to customer service (admob's email option is visible but throws an error every time you click it). Not to mention, they try to steer you towards their useless "community forums" that sre fill…

Can agree. We are awaiting for a response on our DUNs number. They said we have to provide a DUNS number, which we have, and it has to be exactly 9 characters long. Ours is 10. Apple accepts it, Google does not. Even the DUNS lookup site only finds our company using the 10 characters number.

Google gives no response just extended the deadline until they remove our account for not providing the DUNs number.

Funny thing is that our number starts with a zero so theoretically it could be 9 characters long but the official lookup requires the 0 prefix

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Post by bootloop »

Drakim wrote: post #18
wkat4242 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure Google is milking them now by just selling ad words, they no longer care about the search results, just how much money they make

What you are saying sounds like hyperbole, but all it takes is for the management within google to blindly chase metrics and they end up doing exactly that.

I mean that is exactly what each and every Google team does. There is no decision being made without having the data "supporting" it.

But every graph can be shown nicely and things which are common sense don't need a metric to proof it.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Post by equestria »

wkat4242 wrote: post #6
nothercastle wrote: post #5

Just goes to show you how far behind the SEO scammers Google is. Despite being bigger and wealthier Google simply can’t catch the more nimble SEO scammers

I'm pretty sure Google is milking them now by just selling ad words, they no longer care about the search results, just how much money they make

I doubt it works this way. People at Google use search too, and they don't like what they see.

Part of the problem is that they're fighting against financial incentives that they themselves created. There's plenty of upside and little downside to abusing it, so it's just endless whack-a-mole.

Another issue is just how bureaucratic the process has become. They want it to look good to the regulators and the courts, so they put up with a pattern of abuse for five years, then announce some well-reasoned but narrow policy change (e.g. "product reviews now need to be actual hands-on reviews"), and... a month later, spammers are just adding an extra lie on all the fake review websites.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Post by tensor »

daft_pink wrote: post #24

I don’t quite understand why they don’t just let trusted users manually rate search results and feed that through AI to determine ranking penalties similar but not exactly like Kagi.

Probably because they prefer a ranking order that promotes sites with more of their ads or some such, and/or causes users to spend more time going through results looking at more ads.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Post by schmidtleonard »

tensor wrote: post #25
daft_pink wrote: post #24

I don’t quite understand why they don’t just let trusted users manually rate search results and feed that through AI to determine ranking penalties similar but not exactly like Kagi.

Probably because they prefer a ranking order that promotes sites with more of their ads or some such, and/or causes users to spend more time going through results looking at more ads.

> The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users.

- Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page, The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Post by webdoodle »

daft_pink wrote: post #24

I don’t quite understand why they don’t just let trusted users manually rate search results and feed that through AI to determine ranking penalties similar but not exactly like Kagi.

For the same reason Twitter, Facebook and other anti-social media companies fired there Trust and Safety teams. The parasitic elite can't trust hoomans to not turn on them and promote sites and ideas that they consider dangerous to there rule. This is the reason A.I. has risen in prominence, and is clearly biased when talking about the class war.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Post by Macha »

Nextgrid wrote: post #19
greenchair wrote: post #10

geo location trick is absolutely fascinating!

And also absolutely trivial to detect automatically. The fact that Google doesn't do it proves they don't give a shit about improving search quality beyond superficial efforts whose main objective is just to make it look like they do. Maybe the fact that most spam sites have Google Analytics & Ads has something to do with it?

I mean spammers can (and do) get more fancy with e.g. detecting the source AS and its owner for cloaking, but I guess the spammers here are using geo location for a veneer plausible deniability that they're not specifically targeting Google.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Post by Nasrudith »

daft_pink wrote: post #24

I don’t quite understand why they don’t just let trusted users manually rate search results and feed that through AI to determine ranking penalties similar but not exactly like Kagi.

For one because it would be quite abusable. Get a user account to trusted status and then sell it. This is in addition to any scalability issues.
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