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Re: Konwinski Prize

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Post by MichaelZuo »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #19

This is why AI advances so quickly. There are easy economic mechanisms to encourage it, while AI safety laws have to go through an arduous process. Seems rather lopsided when the technology can be potentially dangerous. We should have mechanisms to take a step back and examine this stuff with more caution, mechanisms which have equal force to economic force but we don't. The Amish have a much better model.

Who gets to define ‘potentially dangerous’?

Isn’t that the core issue in the first place?

Re: Konwinski Prize

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Post by [deleted] »

noch wrote: post #14
segmondy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, I'll personally buy it for $2Million for anyone that can get it and assign me the full code/weight and rights.

> I'll personally buy it for $2Million for anyone that can get it and assign me the full code/weight and rights. If you are serious, you should put the funds in an escrow contract and announce a bounty. There are many brilliant people who would work on this for you.

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Re: Konwinski Prize

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Post by vouaobrasil »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #21
vouaobrasil wrote: post #19

This is why AI advances so quickly. There are easy economic mechanisms to encourage it, while AI safety laws have to go through an arduous process. Seems rather lopsided when the technology can be potentially dangerous. We should have mechanisms to take a step back and examine this stuff with more caution, mechanisms which have equal force to economic force but we don't. The Amish have a much better model.

Who gets to define ‘potentially dangerous’? Isn’t that the core issue in the first place?

We should have a discussion and debate about it. The point is, IF people decide that it IS dangerous, then there is no mechanism to stop it.

Re: Konwinski Prize

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Post by MichaelZuo »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #25
MichaelZuo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who gets to define ‘potentially dangerous’? Isn’t that the core issue in the first place?

We should have a discussion and debate about it. The point is, IF people decide that it IS dangerous, then there is no mechanism to stop it.

Huh? There are well known mechanisms after that point. Such as a resolution of the UN Security Council.

Re: Konwinski Prize

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Post by SamvitJ »

Mistletoe wrote: post #12

Idk how accurate net worth predictors on the web are but it says his net worth is $20 million. Is this from his personal funds?

He is a Databricks co-founder: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrickcai/2021/05/26/accidenta...

Likely worth at least $500M, even if his stake was smaller than some of the other co-founders.

Re: Konwinski Prize

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Post by senko »

bruce511 wrote: post #18
senko wrote: post #17

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The cost of Linux kernel development alone has been estimated at a few $B ( https://dwheeler.com/essays/linux-kernel-cost.html ), current figure is probably over tens of billions. Also, the prize doesn't require you to train a new foundational model, just that whatever you use is open weights or open source. Theoretically, might be get away with a Llama3.3 (or any other model which you think makes sense) with a cleve…

>> The cost of Linux kernel development alone has been estimated at a few $B ( https://dwheeler.com/essays/linux-kernel-cost.html ), current figure is probably over tens of billions. I followed your link, but it doesn't seem to bear out upur assertion. The two numbers mentioned in the article are 176 mil and 612 mil. Mind you those weren't an estimate of cost, but rather an estimate to replace. Article is dated 2004,…

> The two numbers mentioned in the article are 176 mil and 612 mil.

Those two numbers are from the intro. The postscript and the updates at the end mention $1.4b and $3b respectively.

The real cost is probably impossible to calculate, but that order of magnitude is a reasonable estimate IMHO, and absolutely comparable, or even larger, than compute costs for SOTA LLMs

Re: Konwinski Prize

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Post by stevage »

olddustytrail wrote: post #20
bruce511 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The cost of Linux kernel development alone has been estimated at a few $B ( https://dwheeler.com/essays/linux-kernel-cost.html ), current figure is probably over tens of billions. I followed your link, but it doesn't seem to bear out upur assertion. The two numbers mentioned in the article are 176 mil and 612 mil. Mind you those weren't an estimate of cost, but rather an estimate to replace. Article is dated 2004,…

There are around 5000 active kernel devs, they are generally highly skilled and therefore highly paid, and they've been working for a lot longer than 10 years. So doesn't seem that unlikely based on your estimates.

Highly paid like a million a year? Is that a thing?
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