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Bilingual brain boost: Two tongues, two minds

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Re: Bilingual brain boost: Two tongues, two minds

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I see several examples here of native speakers of two or more languages in the same language family (e.g., Indo-European). Our example at home is two older children (one who is grown up now, making his living as a hacker) who were brought up as native first-language speakers of both Mandarin Chinese and General American English. My wife is trilingual, growing up in a home that spoke Taiwanese (Taiwan dialect of Minnan Chinese), learning Mandarin as the sole language of school instruction, and learning English beginning in junior high school. Her higher education was in the United States, in the medium of English (of course). I grew up as a monolingual native speaker of General American English (although both my parents had had some foreign language instruction in school, in different languages, and each had living relatives born in the United States who were native speakers of non-English languages). I began learning Chinese, among several other languages, while at university, after learning German and Russian at school.

Oddly, the first language I ever spoke to my wife was actually Japanese, the usual Japanese greeting for a first-time meeting, "はじめまして. どうぞよろしく." Over the years, we have grown strongly to prefer speaking English with each other (from initially mostly speaking Mandarin with each other) because she finds it more congenial to speak what is really on her mind when speaking English. That's a cultural difference between American culture and Taiwanese culture--greater frankness in family conversations in America.

We were quite resolute in speaking Mandarin whenever we were together, whether living in the United States or in Taiwan, as our two older sons were growing up. I would speak to them in English if I was alone with one or both of them. They switched effortlessly from English to Chinese or back as my wife was present or not.

Literacy is HARD to maintain in languages in which the relationship between speech and writing is more remote than in English, as is surely the case in Chinese. I know many, many, many native speakers of Chinese who received their primary, secondary, and even higher educations in Chinese-speaking countries who forget how to write many Chinese characters if they spend a lot of time abroad. Computer input used to be nasty for Chinese, but it is coming along now even in American versions of Windoze. Literature is also more interesting to read if it is uncensored by the government, which gives English-language literature an enormous worldwide draw. But it is definitely life-enriching and thought-provoking to know two or more languages to reasonably high proficiency, and I have enjoyed spending the majority of my life able to communicate in Chinese.

One considerable advantage for the child who grows up bilingual is learning yet more languages as second languages when an adult more readily than do adults who grew up speaking only one language. By diligent study of linguistics, after having some foreign language study (German) that began in elementary school, I acquired enough Chinese to work professionally as an interpreter and a translator, and have enough reading German to be able to do research in that language, and smatterings of other languages. But all the native bilingual members of my family do much better than I do per unit of time in learning languages, so they have many choices before them as occasion arises to learn other languages for various purposes. That helps with second-language acquisition of an understandable pattern of pronunciation, too.

Re: Bilingual brain boost: Two tongues, two minds

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I'm not so sure about the statement that being bilingual reduces the vocabulary. If this is true, this would discourage me from raising a kid to speak two languages... after all, wasn't George Orwell's thesis in 1984 that removing words from the language removed the ability to think? Who would want to do this to a child? Does learning Latin as a second language, or Ruby indeed, restrict your vocabulary? I doubt it.

Re: Bilingual brain boost: Two tongues, two minds

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Most asian parents speak to their children in their native tongue, most likely the same for all immigrants, including hispanic. I know many friends whose kids spoke only their asian language until they hit preschool where they learned english. Kids pick up languages very fast when they are immersed in it.

Anyone ever think of the negative impact. I've seen small local schools flooded with children who haven't learnt English.The extra attention they require slows down learning for the other kids in the class that actually speak English. Is that fair?

Speaking as a parent of two children who we have spoken exclusively Spanish to, and who picked up English from their environment, friends, and school. There has not been any impact. And this is coming from the teachers, who are usually extremely surprised to learn that we speak only Spanish at home.

You underestimate the ability of children to absorb knowledge from their environment.

As a matter of fact, if anything, it has been a net positive. Kids at a young age have a huge curiosity about languages and having bilingual kids in the classroom encourages the other kids to learn. My first graders class begged to have my daughter teach them some Spanish, and the teacher set aside some time for her to do so. The other parents heard from their kids, and thanked the teacher for it!

Re: Bilingual brain boost: Two tongues, two minds

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Anyone ever think of the negative impact. I've seen small local schools flooded with children who haven't learnt English.The extra attention they require slows down learning for the other kids in the class that actually speak English. Is that fair?

Speaking as a parent of two children who we have spoken exclusively Spanish to, and who picked up English from their environment, friends, and school. There has not been any impact. And this is coming from the teachers, who are usually extremely surprised to learn that we speak only Spanish at home. You underestimate the ability of children to absorb knowledge from their environment. As a matter of fact, if anything,…

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Re: Bilingual brain boost: Two tongues, two minds

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I was raised trilingual: born in America to a Colombian dad and Lithuanian mom, so I speak English, Spanish, and Lithuanian. My Lithuanian has gotten a bit rusty since my younger days (mostly out of lack of practice--it's not a language you hear every day), but otherwise I'm fine with all three. Though I can't quite put my finger on it, I have no doubt in my mind that being raised with three languages has had a signi…

Laba diena!

I was bilangual as well. I grew up speaking Lithuanian, and moved to the US at around 7, picking up English surprisingly quickly. My lithuanian is also very rusty, as yes, the only people I ever encounter that speak it are my family (and apparently you).

I was going to come on here and make a very similar point. A few years after moving to the United States, I was involved in a "vocabulary bee", won in my school and did very well at the state competition. This despite the fact that I had been speaking English for less than 3 years, and had no training for the competition, instead answering largely on intuition. I realize now how much knowing Lithuanian helped me largely because of its latin backgrounds.

Later I went on to take several years of spanish, and I had the experience, and noticed it amongst my classmates that the people that picked up the language the fastest were the ones that already spoke more than one language.

Re: Bilingual brain boost: Two tongues, two minds

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Of course they are. You learn a language as a first language (L1) until the critical age (well, according to the critical age hypothesis, anyways: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Age_Hypothesis ). I was raised in such an environment. Spanish at home, English at school. I did learn Spanish before English, and I remember a time when I couldn't understand English, around age five or six. Now, however, I am bilingu…

I'm in the same boat as you. The code-switching is kind of freaky.... It just happens, and the appropriate language is used for the apporpriate part of the conversation, with the appropriate people who would understand. And I feel the ideas/emotions are transferred more efficiently than when using just one language. Which is why it works so well when angry and venting :). The challenge I'm having now is doing the sam…

I've noticed, the language that you can comfortably (i.e. without breaks) swear and be angry and abusive is the one you "think" in.

Re: Bilingual brain boost: Two tongues, two minds

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I learnt French at school and did badly and then as an adult learnt French to a very high standard (I would call myself fluent and not bilingual). Something definitely happened to my brain as my French got really good; it was like I became two different people.

Most people think of language as a dictionary of words -- but it's really the codification of a culture. So when you speak it (fluently), you change yourself to express yourself through that culture. The same expression (perfectly translated) can mean different things in different cultures, for example. I speak two other languages fluently, and I'm a slightly different person in each language. It's really fascinating…

Not me; my French self is also a total dick.
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