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Re: Jury finds Cognizant discriminated against US workers

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Post by soulofmischief »

tivert wrote: post #8
th0ma5 wrote: post #6

The next administration's think tank's plan to solve this is to eliminate the program altogether. There was also talk in a video I think from Jamelle Bouie of the NYT talking about these groups going further and declaring anyone that subsequently went on to be naturalized while living here under these and other programs to have their citizenship revoked. The idea being that only applying for citizenship under the slo…

> There was also talk in a video I think from Jamelle Bouie of the NYT talking about these groups going further and declaring anyone that subsequently went on to be naturalized while living here under these and other programs to have their citizenship revoked. Does he actually have some evidence they're planning on doing that, and have plausible plans to execute it , or is it the typical hyperbolic fear-mongering fro…

Here's a fact sheet from the ACLU which covers the USCIS denaturalization unit created by Trump during his last administration. [0]

Biden dismantled the unit, and part of Project 2025 is reimplementing it.

> typical hyperbolic fear-mongering from Trump's opponents

Let me be clear. There is nothing hyperbolic about Project 2025. The Heritage Foundation, a prominent Republican think tank, is spearheading it. Hundreds of high-ranking politicians and corporate executives are on board with it. The entire administration is going to push for it, systematically, and get as far as they can. It behooves you to study Project 2025 [1] and understand just how bad the next 4 years can be.

Obligatory preface, before it derails my message, the Biden/Harris machine is also anti-democratic, but with a particular neoliberal flavor, while Project 2025 is a largely domestic coup, with sweeping support across the GOP, in a time where Republicans have control of the Legislative branch, Judicial branch and soon, Executive branch. And once Trump begins mass-replacing government workers with sympathizers, there will be little any of us can really do about it.

[0] https://immpolicytracking.org/media/documents/ACLU_Fact_Shee...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Re: Jury finds Cognizant discriminated against US workers

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Post by dartharva »

th0ma5 wrote: post #6

The next administration's think tank's plan to solve this is to eliminate the program altogether. There was also talk in a video I think from Jamelle Bouie of the NYT talking about these groups going further and declaring anyone that subsequently went on to be naturalized while living here under these and other programs to have their citizenship revoked. The idea being that only applying for citizenship under the slo…

H1Bs from India today face waitlists going over 132 years for a green card. They have zero scope of getting a citizenship in USA in the first place.

Re: Jury finds Cognizant discriminated against US workers

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Post by logicchains »

margorczynski wrote: post #17
bastard_op wrote: post #12

Cognizant, Tata, Infosys, the list goes on, the all have been gaming the system for 30 years now to funnel people to the US like Mexican Coyoties. They're not in the game to hire US people, it's all about funneling as many Southeast Asians as possible here. Talking to many friends over years having been through it to come here, I view it a bit like old (like 18th century old) indentured servitude of Europeans trying…

> US to drop an anchor kid to force naturalization I've always wondered why the US didn't change this law (to right of blood)? The current approach was created when the US was just a colony and needed a quick injection of people. Now it doesn't make much sense and creates a plethora of problems as I understand.

It's in the constitution so it's quite difficult to change, requires more than just a simple majority.

Re: Jury finds Cognizant discriminated against US workers

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Post by mschuster91 »

margorczynski wrote: post #17
bastard_op wrote: post #12

Cognizant, Tata, Infosys, the list goes on, the all have been gaming the system for 30 years now to funnel people to the US like Mexican Coyoties. They're not in the game to hire US people, it's all about funneling as many Southeast Asians as possible here. Talking to many friends over years having been through it to come here, I view it a bit like old (like 18th century old) indentured servitude of Europeans trying…

> US to drop an anchor kid to force naturalization I've always wondered why the US didn't change this law (to right of blood)? The current approach was created when the US was just a colony and needed a quick injection of people. Now it doesn't make much sense and creates a plethora of problems as I understand.

> I've always wondered why the US didn't change this law (to right of blood)?

Because that is enshrined in the Constitution [1] and amendments are very very rare to happen [2] even in a time when politicians were actually interested in running the country vs just "owning" the opposing side.

And there's many things that more desperately need constitutional reform than getting rid of "anchor babies" - FPTP, Electoral College, executive orders, or actually enforce the separation between state and religion to name a few.

[1] https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-1-1...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_Cons...

Re: Jury finds Cognizant discriminated against US workers

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Post by wqaatwt »

bastard_op wrote: post #12

Cognizant, Tata, Infosys, the list goes on, the all have been gaming the system for 30 years now to funnel people to the US like Mexican Coyoties. They're not in the game to hire US people, it's all about funneling as many Southeast Asians as possible here. Talking to many friends over years having been through it to come here, I view it a bit like old (like 18th century old) indentured servitude of Europeans trying…

> it was a good deal for everyone involved

It wasn’t, though. There were no immigration limits and those immigrants could come to the Americas freely. They just couldn’t afford the trip due to the extreme poverty in England.

In the 1740s one way trip to America cost around £8. An entirely unskilled laborer could hope to make at least £10-15 per year in England and about double that in Massachusetts.

The standard contract for indentured servitude was 4-6 years. That is an extremely bad and exploitative deal. About 40% APR especially considering that the maximum legally allowed interest rate on loans was 5% (which might have been a part of the problem; if 20% loans were legal maybe someone would have offered them to immigrants).

However unfortunately with no disposable income and no credit facilities you didn’t really have a choice so in that sense working for food and board for 5 years and possibly getting some land afterwards (though it became somewhat uncommon by the 1700s unless you wanted to move to the frontier) might not have been such a bad deal.

Re: Jury finds Cognizant discriminated against US workers

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Post by 29athrowaway »

th0ma5 wrote: post #6

The next administration's think tank's plan to solve this is to eliminate the program altogether. There was also talk in a video I think from Jamelle Bouie of the NYT talking about these groups going further and declaring anyone that subsequently went on to be naturalized while living here under these and other programs to have their citizenship revoked. The idea being that only applying for citizenship under the slo…

The plan to make raise the minimum salary for H1B so that it cannot be used to save money.

And to slow down the application process, increase fees and force people to rely on premium processing more.

Re: Jury finds Cognizant discriminated against US workers

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Post by 29athrowaway »

dartharva wrote: post #22
th0ma5 wrote: post #6

The next administration's think tank's plan to solve this is to eliminate the program altogether. There was also talk in a video I think from Jamelle Bouie of the NYT talking about these groups going further and declaring anyone that subsequently went on to be naturalized while living here under these and other programs to have their citizenship revoked. The idea being that only applying for citizenship under the slo…

H1Bs from India today face waitlists going over 132 years for a green card. They have zero scope of getting a citizenship in USA in the first place.

India has over 1 billion people, and millions of engineers, that is not surprising at all because even if a small fraction applies for H-1B they would quickly surpass the quota.

And if the quota is met, that is fine. The program exists primarily to satisfy talent demand.

US employers have much to win delaying the green card process to have more leverage on the employee.

Re: Jury finds Cognizant discriminated against US workers

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Post by simoncion »

ausbah wrote: post #16
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In contemporary western society, if you can find a way to label someone as racist, you win every argument. There is no recourse.

trump winning the presidency twice should prove this is 1000% not true

"Win" the argument as in "stop the conversation because when someone drops that nuke they have made it clear that there's no rebuttal that will be accepted".

Luckily, once you're in the voting booth, you don't need to argue with someone to vote: all you need to do is make your marks and hand in the paper.

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