Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

france24.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 33 posts

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#21

Post by somedude895 »

_-_-__-_-_- wrote: post #13

I would say creating sexual, pornographic or depicting criminal acts with AI generated images and videos using photographs and media of a person without their consent is morally wrong. It will however, only get easier to create and manipulate images. It is going to become automatic and the barriers to entry will be reduced. The social default will be to assume that everything is a AI generated or manipulated. It will…

Maybe this will get people to stop taking seriously what they see and read on social media and go engage more with the real world and real people.

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#23

Post by tgv »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #22

The day I see a believable deepfake of myself doing strange sexual acts is the day that I will stop caring what people think of my sexuality

Also if these people would amass outside your house and demand you'd be tried for blasphemy? Or would just try to kill you? E.g. Pakistan, women, religion and sexuality is a heady mix. Not everybody has the luxury of not caring.

I would also like to point out again that people still developing and productizing deepfake software or tools that underpin them, should take the morally only correct path and stop, and retract their work. It's a considerable net negative on society.

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#24

Post by kristiandupont »

nox101 wrote: post #12
zamadatix wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether deepfakes are or are not a form of sexual criminality is an absolute based on the jurisdiction. Either it is a crime there or it isn't. That's independent of whether or not individuals or the population agree it should be, whether it's moral, whether it's seen as overreaching, or any other consideration beyond what the law there says.

Yea, sure, being gay or having anal sex, is still a crime too in some places. We can argue it shouldn't be considered a crime and I'd argue deepfakes should not be a crime. I'd also argue considering them so is close to "thought police". And, I'd argue fighting them is a losing cause. They get easier and easier to make daily. Lots of papers at the most recent Siggraph on how to take a single photo and turn it into an…

>I'd also argue considering them so is close to "thought police"

How do you reach that conclusion? Deepfakes get shared, which has real consequences for people.

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#25

Post by DiscourseFan »

tgv wrote: post #23
DiscourseFan wrote: post #22

The day I see a believable deepfake of myself doing strange sexual acts is the day that I will stop caring what people think of my sexuality

Also if these people would amass outside your house and demand you'd be tried for blasphemy? Or would just try to kill you? E.g. Pakistan, women, religion and sexuality is a heady mix. Not everybody has the luxury of not caring. I would also like to point out again that people still developing and productizing deepfake software or tools that underpin them, should take the morally only correct path and stop, and retra…

>Also if these people would amass outside your house and demand you'd be tried for blasphemy? Or would just try to kill you? E.g. Pakistan, women, religion and sexuality is a heady mix. Not everybody has the luxury of not caring.

Hard to do if its happening to everyone

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#26

Post by chgs »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #25
tgv wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also if these people would amass outside your house and demand you'd be tried for blasphemy? Or would just try to kill you? E.g. Pakistan, women, religion and sexuality is a heady mix. Not everybody has the luxury of not caring. I would also like to point out again that people still developing and productizing deepfake software or tools that underpin them, should take the morally only correct path and stop, and retra…

>Also if these people would amass outside your house and demand you'd be tried for blasphemy? Or would just try to kill you? E.g. Pakistan, women, religion and sexuality is a heady mix. Not everybody has the luxury of not caring. Hard to do if its happening to everyone

But it’s not, it’s targetted.

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#27

Post by renox »

chii wrote: post #15
xhevahir wrote: post #3

They say that "media literacy is poor" in Pakistan but it's not at all clear that education would solve the problem. We've seen in more "media-literate" countries a free-floating distrust of media of all kinds that is exacerbated by the keener awareness of deceptive techniques. Niklas Luhmann has written about this "suspicion of manipulation:" https://monoskop.org/images/6/6c/Luhmann_Niklas_The_Reality_...

The fact that advertising works, despite many claiming they're not susceptible to it, is good evidence that media manipulation works amazingly well - even to people who think they understand and would not be manipulated.

OTOH there also the saying that there's no bad publicity.. So it's not so obvious!

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#28

Post by DiscourseFan »

chgs wrote: post #26
DiscourseFan wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Also if these people would amass outside your house and demand you'd be tried for blasphemy? Or would just try to kill you? E.g. Pakistan, women, religion and sexuality is a heady mix. Not everybody has the luxury of not caring. Hard to do if its happening to everyone

But it’s not, it’s targetted.

So? If its use becomes widespread it won't matter.

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#29

Post by selimthegrim »

alephnerd wrote: post #5

Deepfakes are being weaponized against all politicians in Pakistan - not just women. FYI, Pakistan is also in the process of releasing it's version of China's Great Firewall and has heavily leveraged the "AI Safety" argument for that [0][1]. Also, it's quite rich that a PMLN minister in Punjab is complaining about electoral safety when her party viciously cracked down on the PTI. [0] - https://tribune.com.pk/story/24…

There was one that got assassinated a few years back.

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#30

Post by selimthegrim »

isr wrote: post #9
isr wrote: post #8

Just FYI, to those not in Pakistan who might not be aware. The minister mentioned in the article (yes, deepfakes are a form of sexual criminality!), is a direct underling of another female chief minister (who won despite her party receiving less than 20% of the votes - yay military rigging) who ... get this ... runs an extortion ring where 100s of judges, politicians etc are honey trapped & copious videos are made. S…

A few brave souls (eg Senator Swati) have openly admitted to this attempted blackmail (his was an explosive, tearful press conference 3 years ago). She even does it to the military top brass, and they do it to her & her goons. In short, they're all low-rent garbage, so save your tears for the more worthwhile 1000s of political prisoners (MANY of whom are female) of this military-led, crime-family infested, American S…

If the state dept threw out IK that was wrong, but why has everyone forgotten IK begging the “umpires” to throw govt out when he was out of power before elected (with some help) the first time.
Post reply on HN