Are we just deluding ourselves by thinking this won't happen in every single domain of human endeavor?
Every domain where the judgment comes from the 99%, sure. The 99% is uncultivated.
"Stop liking things that look good, guys!"
AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
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Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
#22The headline is misleading. The actual text says: > Notably, participants were more likely to judge AI-generated poems as human-authored than actual human-authored poems There is clearly a significant difference between AI generated poems and human generated poems. A random group of people probably do not read poetry. It would be be interesting to see what people who do read poetry regularly do on this. Also, which t…
As someone who reads poetry regularly and has played around a bit with AI-generated poems, AI poems can be quite impressive, but have a certain blandness to them. I can see them conforming very well to the average person's concept of what a poem is, whereas the human written poems might be less pleasingly perfect and average, more stylistically and structurally experimental etc. The LLM version is less likely to play with the rules and expectations for the medium, and more likely to produce something average and "correct", which makes some intuitive sense given the way it works.
Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this line of reasoning is really bizarre, as if there's this straight-line path of progress, and then we stop the second it starts doing shit that we consider "fun". Who is to say that "washing dishes" (to use your example) is a less complicated problem than art, at least in regards to robotics and the like?
Washing dishes can be a creative act (but it depends a lot on who is doing it).
Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
#24Another way to describe this study is "AI still not able to create poetry humans view as authentic human poetry"
Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
#25Maybe my logic is choppy but I'm unconvinced that it is useful to use (inexperienced) popular sentiment as a marker of some kind of reference for cultural quality here. The average person has read at most 100 poems; people who really like poetry will be reading quite a bit more, and that experience has relevance in a context such as this. I'm more curious what happens when we look at specifically those humans who eng…
Just for fun, I had ChatGPT rewrite your comment as a poem. Here’s the result:
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My logic may be choppy, but I’m not yet sold, That popular sentiment should be the gold, For judging culture's worth or depth or art, When most have seen so little, played no part.
The average person, read just a hundred lines, While those who love the craft cross many signs, With pages turned, they gain a richer view, That shapes what art they’ll seek, and how they choose.
The study’s neat, but here’s what I believe: The crowd enjoys the safe, the bland, the brief— The 50% grey, inoffensive way, The formulaic poems that softly sway.
I don't read much myself, I must admit, But even I might find that AI's wit Could speak in ways that sound like common sense, But lacks the depth of art's true recompense.
Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
#26Are we just deluding ourselves by thinking this won't happen in every single domain of human endeavor?
I believe this will happen in many human domains, but it doesn't really matter. Nobody is going to stop writing poetry because of this and I doubt there's much of an audience for AI generated poetry.
Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
#27A lot of good art requires a good palate. Taking random people off the street and asking them about AI art is going to reveal really stupid results every time.
If we keep doing this, the clickbait articles and research saying AI can do everything better than humans will never cease.
Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
#28I don't need an AI to do art so I can wash the dishes. I need an AI that can do the dishes so I can do art. - Someone else on twitter.
I think this line of reasoning is really bizarre, as if there's this straight-line path of progress, and then we stop the second it starts doing shit that we consider "fun". Who is to say that "washing dishes" (to use your example) is a less complicated problem than art, at least in regards to robotics and the like?
it's not a matter of what's complicated, it's a matter of what it replaces. the quote isn't reflecting on what's easiest to solve, it's reflecting on the impact that it has on culture as a whole.
a tangible impact of the current generation of AI tools is they displace and drown out human creations in a flood of throwaway, meaningless garbage. this is amplifying the ongoing conversion of art into "content" that's interacted with in extremely superficial and thoughtless ways.
just because something _can_ be automated doesn't mean it _should_ be. we actively lose something when human creativity is replaced with algorithmically generated content because human creativity is as much a reflection of the state of the art as it is a reflection of the inner life of the person who engages in it. it's a way to learn about one another.
in the context of the broader discussion of "does greater efficiency everywhere actually have any benefit beyond increasing profits," the type of thing being made efficient matters. we don't need more efficient poetry, and the promise of automation and AI should be that it allows us to shrug off things that aren't fulfilling - washing dishes, cleaning the house, so on - and focus on things that are fulfilling and meaningful.
the net impact of these technologies has largely been to devalue or eliminate human beings working in creative roles, people whose work has already largely been devalued and minimized.
it's totally akin to "where's my flying car?" nobody actually cares about the flying car, the point is that as technology marches on, things seem to universally get worse and it's often unclear who the new development is benefitting.
Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
#29Maybe my logic is choppy but I'm unconvinced that it is useful to use (inexperienced) popular sentiment as a marker of some kind of reference for cultural quality here. The average person has read at most 100 poems; people who really like poetry will be reading quite a bit more, and that experience has relevance in a context such as this. I'm more curious what happens when we look at specifically those humans who eng…
Just for fun, I had ChatGPT rewrite your comment as a poem. Here’s the result: ———— My logic may be choppy, but I’m not yet sold, That popular sentiment should be the gold, For judging culture's worth or depth or art, When most have seen so little, played no part. The average person, read just a hundred lines, While those who love the craft cross many signs, With pages turned, they gain a richer view, That shapes wha…
This is a great example of a clearly very bad poem that would sound "good enough" to people. Some things rhyme, but there's very clearly no plan.
Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably
#30I don't need an AI to do art so I can wash the dishes. I need an AI that can do the dishes so I can do art. - Someone else on twitter.
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