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As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by mathgeek »

Teever wrote: post #9
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already put substances in food to make us crave them more. It's not a huge leap from there.

It is a huge leap from the status quo to intentionally disrupting the effects of prescription drugs. One is unscrupulous and the other is blatantly illegal.

If they do find something that fits the bill, it will be referred to and marketed as “appealing to the cravings of folks on these drugs, and they personally need to be responsible about their choices”.

It’s helpful to remember that this is the same corporate landscape where (in the US) insurance companies can decline prescriptions in order to reduce their own costs.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by frankharv »

bamboozled wrote: post #13
tayo42 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is about enter an era of no government regulation...

I love the excuse given for destroying the FDA, “they are corrupt and allow food coloring in front loops”, you ain’t seen nothing yet boy …

Some of has to do with Dairy products and milk destroyed by man due to regulation.

Farms should not be raided for selling people real milk.

The system has gone too far. Let people eat what they want.

You want gov milk than buy it. Dont force it on everybody.

Nanny state needs to scale it back.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by frankharv »

frankharv wrote: post #22
bamboozled wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the excuse given for destroying the FDA, “they are corrupt and allow food coloring in front loops”, you ain’t seen nothing yet boy …

Some of has to do with Dairy products and milk destroyed by man due to regulation. Farms should not be raided for selling people real milk. The system has gone too far. Let people eat what they want. You want gov milk than buy it. Dont force it on everybody. Nanny state needs to scale it back.

https://www.lancasterfarming.com/farming-news/dairy/raid-on-...

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by otisv »

pvaldes wrote: post #15
Vampiero wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coca Cola has phosphoric acid in it so you don't puke from the fact that it contains unnatural amounts of sugar. Sugar itself, in its processed form, is quite unnatural and causes cravings and addiction. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors didn't get much sugar aside from fructose. Conclusion: sugar is mostly used by the industry because it's addictive.

Processed sugar is glucose. Glucose is all except "quite unnatural" in our metabolism. Physiology in animals is based on energy provided by any stuff that can be converted into sugar. Our brains will die in a few minutes without glucose. This reminds me the lemon juice panic when used as additive. We can talk about if this sugar has pesticides or other substances mixed with it in the post process that are toxic, but…

I think the parent is pointing out that supernatural amounts of refined sugar in food products is unnatural and that it is added in such high amounts because it is addictive (even going as far as to add other substances to reduce the symptoms of such supernatural sugar doses, p.s. I'm unsure if this is true or not just regurgitating his argument) and thus companies are adding as much refined sugar as possible to increase the sales of said products.

While you seem to be arguing against a strawman that the existence of glucose in our metabolic systems is unnatural, thus sugar is addictive? I think your counter points are a tad tangential compared to the actual points made by the parent comment.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by lancesells »

frankharv wrote: post #22
bamboozled wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the excuse given for destroying the FDA, “they are corrupt and allow food coloring in front loops”, you ain’t seen nothing yet boy …

Some of has to do with Dairy products and milk destroyed by man due to regulation. Farms should not be raided for selling people real milk. The system has gone too far. Let people eat what they want. You want gov milk than buy it. Dont force it on everybody. Nanny state needs to scale it back.

First they came for my gas stoves and now my raw milk. Let's destroy the FDA and food safety that keeps people alive because pasteurization is the devil.

Counterpoint: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/the-dangers-of-raw-milk-w...

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by inglor_cz »

pvaldes wrote: post #15
Vampiero wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coca Cola has phosphoric acid in it so you don't puke from the fact that it contains unnatural amounts of sugar. Sugar itself, in its processed form, is quite unnatural and causes cravings and addiction. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors didn't get much sugar aside from fructose. Conclusion: sugar is mostly used by the industry because it's addictive.

Processed sugar is glucose. Glucose is all except "quite unnatural" in our metabolism. Physiology in animals is based on energy provided by any stuff that can be converted into sugar. Our brains will die in a few minutes without glucose. This reminds me the lemon juice panic when used as additive. We can talk about if this sugar has pesticides or other substances mixed with it in the post process that are toxic, but…

Processed sugar is sucrose, also half-glucose, half-fructose.

Even though both are found separately in nature, it doesn't necessarily follow that their combination is just fine, especially in the volumes consumed in a typical Western diet.

If sugar isn't addictive at all, why do so many people have cravings for sweets? Cravings are a major hallmark of addiction.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by bodiekane »

Teever wrote: post #9
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already put substances in food to make us crave them more. It's not a huge leap from there.

It is a huge leap from the status quo to intentionally disrupting the effects of prescription drugs. One is unscrupulous and the other is blatantly illegal.

What law would it be breaking?

There are tons of common foods and food additives that are known to interact with medications. Grapefruit juice for instance has a large and diverse set of drug interactions, some potentially very dangerous: https://www.drugs.com/article/grapefruit-drug-interactions.h... but that doesn't mean it's illegal to sell or consume.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by whaleofatw2022 »

Teever wrote: post #4
unixpickle wrote: post #3

> I asked Nicole Avena, a professor of neuroscience at Mount Sinai who studies sugar addiction, if she believed it could be possible for food companies to engineer, intentionally or not, compounds that would make GLP-1 drugs less effective. Avena told me it was plausible. Never really thought about this before. The food industry is a virus and current weight loss drugs are the best vaccine we have, but it'll forever…

It would probably be ridiculously illegal to put substances in products that are designed to counter the function of prescription medication. It's the kind of thing that I hope would result in not only massive fines for the corporations but jail time for the people involved in the decision making and the R&D.

Idk. One challenge is that plenty of natural things can interfere with prescription medication... grapefruit juice comes to mind.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by [deleted] »

bamboozled wrote: post #13
tayo42 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is about enter an era of no government regulation...

I love the excuse given for destroying the FDA, “they are corrupt and allow food coloring in front loops”, you ain’t seen nothing yet boy …

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Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by khaki54 »

bamboozled wrote: post #13
tayo42 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is about enter an era of no government regulation...

I love the excuse given for destroying the FDA, “they are corrupt and allow food coloring in front loops”, you ain’t seen nothing yet boy …

I don't think the FDA should be destroyed.

Sometimes you have to question if they are in the wrong too frequently, for instance recalling 80,000 lbs. of butter (when it's already more than $7 lb. in most grocery stores) because the butter packaging didn't say "Contains milk". It's a recent example of something they did that only caused harm. Notify the company to fix their packaging, sure, but under no circumstances should they be recalling the butter.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/costco-butter-recall/

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