Is Chrome the New IE? (2023) • Hacker News Board

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by robertoandred » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:05 AM UTC

do_not_redeem wrote: post #16

dwaite wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand - Chrome is like IE for pushing proprietary extensions, and Safari is like IE for not implementing those proprietary extensions?

Safari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.

Such as?

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by robertoandred » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:05 AM UTC

asddubs wrote: post #7

Just to (mostly) preempt this because the exact same discussion is had every time this sentiment comes up: Isn't safari the new IE? Answer: They both are like IE, for different reasons: Chrome: Pushes proprietary extensions onto the web, which due to their absolute dominance others are somewhat forced to adopt, people develop for it and don't test in any other browser, just like IE Safari: is coupled to operating sys…

Safari updates are released for the two macOS releases before the current.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by intellix » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:06 AM UTC

Safari, the browser that claims to support standards but always comes with caveats, like saying they support transform/transitions and then everything with box shadows flickering

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by griomnib » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:06 AM UTC

DonnyV wrote: post #3

Unlike IE, Chrome is still moving forward with new features and depreciating old features.

The degree to which Google leadership is capable of fostering innovation of any sort is very much in doubt, but specifically in chrome all they are doing is re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic while regulators and user preferences tighten the noose on the ad tracking business.

Google is using Chrome and Android to delay privacy rights around the world, that’s it. That’s the whole story.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by KTibow » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:11 AM UTC

robertoandred wrote: post #21

do_not_redeem wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.

Such as?

Here's a breakdown: https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+131,safari+18.1&compareC...

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by do_not_redeem » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:11 AM UTC

marxisttemp wrote: post #18

do_not_redeem wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.

Did “everyone” agree on and implement them, or did Google implement them and force everyone else in the WHATWG to play catch-up since they’re dominant?

Maybe there are specific examples of that? But I can't think of any, and it certainly doesn't strike me as common. Random example:

https://caniuse.com/input-inputmode

Firefox: 2013

Chrome: 2017

Safari: Any decade now, I'm sure of it

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by asddubs » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:13 AM UTC

robertoandred wrote: post #22

asddubs wrote: post #7

Just to (mostly) preempt this because the exact same discussion is had every time this sentiment comes up: Isn't safari the new IE? Answer: They both are like IE, for different reasons: Chrome: Pushes proprietary extensions onto the web, which due to their absolute dominance others are somewhat forced to adopt, people develop for it and don't test in any other browser, just like IE Safari: is coupled to operating sys…

Safari updates are released for the two macOS releases before the current.

not on iOS which is more relevant since you can't even install other engines

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by HWR_14 » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:13 AM UTC

do_not_redeem wrote: post #16

dwaite wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand - Chrome is like IE for pushing proprietary extensions, and Safari is like IE for not implementing those proprietary extensions?

Safari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.

Where "everyone else" means Google used Chrome to make it the standard.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by sevensor » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:15 AM UTC

Where I work, edge is the new IE, and there has never been an interregnum. I think people forget that institutions have their own logic.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by HWR_14 » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 3:15 AM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #11

Yes. If it works on Chrome, no one cares or even tests for other things. If there is a JS feature in Chrome they want to use, so it’s impossible to use other browsers (instead of looking wrong) people do it. Performs fine in Chrome? Ship it. Yes, Chrome is the new IE in that it’s the only browsers companies care about, just like IE was for a very long time. Everything has to be Chrome compatible to succeed. That’s th…

Unless you want to have customers on iOS.