The title needs (2019) I thought the news felt like a deja-vu
Either that, or you’re in the Matrix.
A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon(2019)
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#22Some previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36009562
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#23Don’t we have some sort of agreement to keep planetary biospheres clear of earth organisms?
Wel also have agreements on nuclear weapons proliferation but that doesn't stop israel
our agreements say that all countries are equal, and that includes Israel. Unfortunately, the exclusion of Taiwan from equality means that agreement is not enforced in a fair manner.
and a separate agreement has countries that sign agree not to proliferate nuclear weapons to new countries. Israel, Pakistan, and India did not sign, and are therefore in compliance with that treaty also.
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#24Don’t we have some sort of agreement to keep planetary biospheres clear of earth organisms?
Only about Europa....We were told in stern terms....
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#25So, from the example of Peanut the Squirrel, that NYS agency wants to gather up all those Tardigrades, kill them, and test the remains for rabies?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Concern" ? It may spread life to other planets and systems, and this would mean that life has higher chance of survival no matter if humans are here or not. If we look over the next 10 thousand years, we have more chances to have the planet survivability highly affected by a nuclear war, than to have tardigrades secretly building a spaceship and attacking us back in Space Wars style. It's great if plants and animals…
The concern isn't Earth organisms evolving and attacking us. The concern is they'll make it harder to detect potential life on other planets (because of false positives) or even that they'll destroy alien life if it exists.
Yeah, which is definitely a concern for a planet with the potential to host life, like Mars or Europa, but for a place where we are pretty much 100% confident life cannot exist, like the Moon, it's just not a concern. Tardigrades are tough little creatures, but even they will just enter a tun state in such a harsh environment (if they even survive).
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wel also have agreements on nuclear weapons proliferation but that doesn't stop israel
our agreements say that all countries are equal, and that includes Israel. Unfortunately, the exclusion of Taiwan from equality means that agreement is not enforced in a fair manner. and a separate agreement has countries that sign agree not to proliferate nuclear weapons to new countries. Israel, Pakistan, and India did not sign, and are therefore in compliance with that treaty also.
“All countries are equal, but some countries are more equal than others”
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
our agreements say that all countries are equal, and that includes Israel. Unfortunately, the exclusion of Taiwan from equality means that agreement is not enforced in a fair manner. and a separate agreement has countries that sign agree not to proliferate nuclear weapons to new countries. Israel, Pakistan, and India did not sign, and are therefore in compliance with that treaty also.
“All countries are equal, but some countries are more equal than others”
For those who don’t recognize it, this is a take on “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others” from Animal Farm by George Orwell. Essential reading for every human (imho).
Re: A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon(2019)
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
“All countries are equal, but some countries are more equal than others”
For those who don’t recognize it, this is a take on “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others” from Animal Farm by George Orwell. Essential reading for every human (imho).
Thanks, captain
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wel also have agreements on nuclear weapons proliferation but that doesn't stop israel
our agreements say that all countries are equal, and that includes Israel. Unfortunately, the exclusion of Taiwan from equality means that agreement is not enforced in a fair manner. and a separate agreement has countries that sign agree not to proliferate nuclear weapons to new countries. Israel, Pakistan, and India did not sign, and are therefore in compliance with that treaty also.
I like how you glaze over the obligations signatories of that treaty DO have... Such as explicitly being not allowed to help other non signatory countries both regarding nuclear programs and ALL MILITARY support. And very explicitly not allowed to aid a "rogue" state in the terms of treaty.. that openly wants nukes. It's not only violatates the treaty direct text it also undermines the entire purpose of the treaty bringing the clock much closer to midnight. If the word of the law was being followed every nuclear proliferation treaty signatory country should be sanctioning Israel as much as North Korea or Iran going back decades. Instead it is ILLEGAL to boycott Israel in many US states.
All of doesn't just apply to treaty obligations but US foreign policy as well... Even from the most ice cold geopolitics pov the USA is behaving irrational and against its best interests in regards to Israel ..
My original point being. If Israel is an exception to nearly every global treaty and agreement geopolitically.... Why would space treaties magically apply to them ?