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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ghaff »

randomdata wrote: post #10
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a bigger picture, cars are a bad solution to the problem of transportation at scale, and really always have been. As safety features go up, complacency goes up, and to be blunt that's combining with the fact that drivers are getting consistently worse overall at the skill anyway. Between EV's that are much, much heavier than ICE cars and SUVs/Trucks that are much larger than they need to be, vehicles themselves, d…

> We really need to get serious about improving our transportation infrastructure. Better yet, we really need to consider urbanization. That way everything you need is right there by your own two feet. No need for any extra special transportation at all. It seems people have a burning desire to live the rural lifestyle, though, even in so-called cities. I'm not sure we can actually overcome that pressure.

Many of us simply don't want to live in expensive urbanized environments (especially in more desirable ones)--at least at many points in our lives, so yeah no.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by TrainedMonkey »

Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

And all USG vehicles to be replaced with Teslas to save money on gas /s

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

heywire wrote: post #19
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a bigger picture, cars are a bad solution to the problem of transportation at scale, and really always have been. As safety features go up, complacency goes up, and to be blunt that's combining with the fact that drivers are getting consistently worse overall at the skill anyway. Between EV's that are much, much heavier than ICE cars and SUVs/Trucks that are much larger than they need to be, vehicles themselves, d…

I would wager that most people don’t want to use public transit regularly. I know I certainly don’t.

Your desire to not be inconvenienced is not as important as the lives of other people who are being killed unnecessarily for it.

That being said, to be clear, I don't think we need to make driving illegal or whatever. I think a TON of people would happily not be saddled with the expense of owning a car or the task of driving if there were reasonable alternatives on offer, which in the few pockets of the US that actually have decent mass transit, is broadly the case.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ryandvm »

Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Not even remotely farce. I hope the rest of the world is taking notes...

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by kybernetikos »

grecy wrote: post #4

How can any reasonable person know if any story about Tesla (good or bad) is actually factual and useful, or is just a story told from a particular angle to manipulate the stock price for gain? While many says it's the ultimate meme stock, I also can't help thinking it's the ultimate manipulation stock - it seems some people desperately want it to go down while others desperately want it to go up.

Follow the link to the underlying study https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

While the linked article is playing up the tesla angle (and so may be thought to be manipulative) the underlying study does not seem to be unusually focused on tesla, it's simply listing the results of a fairly straightforward analysis. I also have no reason to doubt it as I more or less expected tesla to have bad fatality rates compared to class (although I guess I wouldn't have expected them to be quite this bad - I thought they'd be bad compared to other luxury vehicles of similar weight size and price, not absolutely bad compared to most cars).

But you can find the underlying numbers and critique them if you have reason to think they might be wrong. E.g. if you believed the claims that autopilot was safer than human drivers and was saving lives, you might have expected to see a sign of that in this data (I didn't).

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by KerrAvon »

thejazzman wrote: post #11
grecy wrote: post #4

How can any reasonable person know if any story about Tesla (good or bad) is actually factual and useful, or is just a story told from a particular angle to manipulate the stock price for gain? While many says it's the ultimate meme stock, I also can't help thinking it's the ultimate manipulation stock - it seems some people desperately want it to go down while others desperately want it to go up.

I've had one since 2015 and so many issues. When I share them on Reddit I'm downvoted into oblivion for going against the cult It's gotten better in the last few years, now that millions of people share the issues, it's harder to drown them out Doesn't seem to matter whatsoever for their stock, so that doesn't seems to be too relevant

Tesla is a memestock. There's no reason it should be as high as it is; the fundamentals aren't that great and Musk is a danger to the company whether he's in or out of government.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by Gibbon1 »

randomdata wrote: post #10
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a bigger picture, cars are a bad solution to the problem of transportation at scale, and really always have been. As safety features go up, complacency goes up, and to be blunt that's combining with the fact that drivers are getting consistently worse overall at the skill anyway. Between EV's that are much, much heavier than ICE cars and SUVs/Trucks that are much larger than they need to be, vehicles themselves, d…

> We really need to get serious about improving our transportation infrastructure. Better yet, we really need to consider urbanization. That way everything you need is right there by your own two feet. No need for any extra special transportation at all. It seems people have a burning desire to live the rural lifestyle, though, even in so-called cities. I'm not sure we can actually overcome that pressure.

Suburbia is this thing like commuting in a car that's great as long as everyone isn't also trying to do it.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by p_j_w »

randomdata wrote: post #10
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a bigger picture, cars are a bad solution to the problem of transportation at scale, and really always have been. As safety features go up, complacency goes up, and to be blunt that's combining with the fact that drivers are getting consistently worse overall at the skill anyway. Between EV's that are much, much heavier than ICE cars and SUVs/Trucks that are much larger than they need to be, vehicles themselves, d…

> We really need to get serious about improving our transportation infrastructure. Better yet, we really need to consider urbanization. That way everything you need is right there by your own two feet. No need for any extra special transportation at all. It seems people have a burning desire to live the rural lifestyle, though, even in so-called cities. I'm not sure we can actually overcome that pressure.

Even with heavy urbanization you'll need some form of transit on top of walking. Have you ever visited any really big cities (eg. Tokyo)? Every time I'm in one, I get the impression they would grind to a standstill without their mass transit systems.
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