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Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by Phelinofist »

dlahoda wrote: post #7
Phelinofist wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, and the speech by Scholz was just taken from a drawer, so it has been written for quite some time. So overall this is just shady: Lidner wanted structured new elections but now Scholz forced this to be some shit show. Also the 4 points mentioned by Scholz are mostly shit: 1. Subventions for VW/other car manufactures: good to secure jobs, but eventually against strengthen of the German economy because we keep fail…

4. what part of money sent to ukraine is actually investment to eu defence? trying tactics and seeing arms in actios and then selling these to aravia and asia because of good reviews. 3. all young screwed with inflation money printing, and laws protecting rich to be rich, not poor become rich. so i doubt any coutry is different now. 2. check out nuclear in france and canada. they are fine. and... it was russia. ao de…

TBH, I'm not sure I can parse your comment correctly, but I'll try anyway: 1. I also work for some subsidiary of VW and honestly them going down is no surprise. It's mismanagement on all levels

2. I'm not sure nuclear is a good think. Sure, no CO2, but waste. Also, building them is just ridiculously expensive.

3. Unfortunately true! But the plans of the SPD were really insane IMHO

4. What I meant is that instead of sending anything to the Ukraine just invest in EU level defense.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by osrmostsis »

huijzer wrote: post #6
rasmus1610 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Just had a longer discussion with my wife just now why this is. So many discussions in Germany revolve around ideology and not what’s best in the situation right now.

Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

"Car production is about 17% of GDP"

Not sure where you got this number. Actually it's been between 4% and 5% for the last couple of years.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by baud147258 »

huijzer wrote: post #6
rasmus1610 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Just had a longer discussion with my wife just now why this is. So many discussions in Germany revolve around ideology and not what’s best in the situation right now.

Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

> Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost.

I'd say it's the same in both parties

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by ClassyJacket »

mschuster91 wrote: post #16
huijzer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

> You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Yeah, like stripping away LGBT rights or abortion? The far-right, no matter if we are talking about the US, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Argentinia, Israel or the UK, has clearly stated what they want to do, and they have shown in more than enough cases (Argentinia, USA, UK) that they are willing to throw the entire nation under the bus for…

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Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by probably_wrong »

If the future German Chancellor is here, here's my proposal for your new campaign: "We choose to build one million affordable apartments in four years, not because it's easy but because it's hard".

It may not solve all of Germany's problems but at least you'll energize the construction sector, alleviate the housing crisis, learn how to finish a construction project on time and you'll have to remove some bureaucracy to reach the deadline. Build them with EV chargers outside and you'll help VW too.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by stickfigure »

nilsherzig wrote: post #19
pc86 wrote: post #11

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What is unstable about the US?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Trump's followers raid the capitol last time (with his approval)? Seems unstable from the outside

One of them was shot and more than 600 were sent to prison. Seems stable enough to me.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by huijzer »

mschuster91 wrote: post #16
huijzer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

> You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Yeah, like stripping away LGBT rights or abortion? The far-right, no matter if we are talking about the US, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Argentinia, Israel or the UK, has clearly stated what they want to do, and they have shown in more than enough cases (Argentinia, USA, UK) that they are willing to throw the entire nation under the bus for…

I don’t know about you, but I actually watched interviews with Trump and he mostly seems to indicate that he doesn’t want a nation-wide ban on abortion. It should be up for individual states to decide. Although I’m in favor of more choice for women, I don’t think Trump’s stance is completely unreasonable. There are already more than enough federal rules and some states want to be more strict. But you make it sound like Trump wants to strip away abortion rights. Please give me a recent interview in which he himself clearly said that. Otherwise it seems someone else came up with that narrative.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

huijzer wrote: post #12
huijzer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

To the people downvoting me again. Please come with arguments instead of just clicking the “I disagree” button. I’ll happily be proven wrong but I need someone to do it. Just clicking “I disagree” doesn’t add anything to the discussion. Thank you.

“Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.”

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by gmueckl »

nosianu wrote: post #15
killjoywashere wrote: post #9

So, destabilized democracies seems to be the theme of the early 21st century: the UK (Brexit), the US (twice) and now rumbles from Germany. Great

This is not destabilizing this democracy. The FDP has done that same thing before - twice! In 1966 and 1982. Abandoning a non-functioning government and calling new elections is part of democracies. Just ask the Italians (68 governments in 76 years), or recently the French and the Brits.

The problem is that the far right is ready to exploit that situation with their broken populist rhetoric and look to gain massively from it. Currently, they are the second biggest faction behind the conservatives in the polls. All the moderate parties have so little support that the only coalition government options are the ones that couldn't stop this growing trend of disillusionment and protest voting in the past.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by p2detar »

rasmus1610 wrote: post #5
the5avage wrote: post #4

As a german imo the real problem is that we replaced reasoning with ideology. There are sometimes complex connections between cause and effect. It is not enough to just have the right intention.

This. Just had a longer discussion with my wife just now why this is. So many discussions in Germany revolve around ideology and not what’s best in the situation right now.

Perhaps it's time to integrate LLMs into politics. Not sure that I'm even joking at this point.
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