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Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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The more they sell, the less likely China & others are going to make a real alternative.

They will still make a real alternative, it's in their own national security interests to do so.

> They will still make a real alternative, it's in their own national security interests to do so

There is also a massive difference between making them uneconomically and making them economically at scale.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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I am not sure I buy this argument that Nvidia management was complicit, but it does need investigation.

This will continue until you put management people in prison. "Sales gonna sales" can't be the excuse forever.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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I am not sure I buy this argument that Nvidia management was complicit, but it does need investigation.

As the article states, Singapore accounted for 20% (!) of Nvidias total revenue. You think management wasn't aware that something was going on? A country with about 2% of the GDP of the US and non of the large AI companies? Management either was involved or willfully looked the other way the alternative is that they are so grossly incompetent and non-involved in the company that it's hard to believe.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

#25

Close this loophole and another one opens. The ban was and is incredibly shortsighted.

This loophole is as old as export restrictions. Cutout resellers have been used to skirt these regulations for decades. The scale is noteworthy in this case.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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post #22

I am not sure I buy this argument that Nvidia management was complicit, but it does need investigation.

This will continue until you put management people in prison. "Sales gonna sales" can't be the excuse forever.

Yep. They'll just fine the company.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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We will see what happens - but given nvidias growth and how heavy they are now weighted I’m skeptical there will be any enforcement until well after the elections.

Neither party wants to look “bad for the economy”, even if the people harmed isn’t of significant size.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

why did you post the tweet also then? Stick to the source

um... try reading the tweet maybe? it's adding massive new details about a different country altogether

confusing tweet. Why does it have a photo of the Mumbai article then?

Post the tweet in the thread about the mumbai article then. (a story that's been submitted 5 times already) It's a Related: or this is a Related:.

No need to split up the discussion with multiple threads.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

#30
Nvidia is obviously a US company, but the chips themselves are manufactured in Taiwan.

And of course China sees Taiwan as a rogue province, at at least treats invasion there as "on the table". While the US may decide to actively support Taiwan, at the very least a war over that will disrupt production.

Should Taiwan fall, and China choose to ban exports from there to the US, then the fun and games would really start.

As long as back-channels exist to supply the chips to China, then there's less incentive for China to control Taiwan. The ban exists as good politics (we don't ship to our adversaries) while the back-channels ensure they aren't forced into a position no-one wants them to be in.

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