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Billionaires emit more CO₂ in 90 minutes than most people do in a lifetime

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Re: Billionaires emit more CO₂ in 90 minutes than most people do in a lifetime

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Post by Arnt »

sandworm101 wrote: post #20
Arnt wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that it doesn't matter. Most of that those giant emissions are your daily commute etc. The aren't enough private jets to really make a dent compared to all the middle-class car drivers. Merely being a reasonable demand isn't enough to get a law or treaty. A good intention won't be enough, a likely significant effect is politically necessary.

>> Most of that those giant emissions are your daily commute etc. Daily commutes, even by IC car, are not the bulk of carbon emissions. Carbon emissions from all transport are only about 1/3 of total emissions, with commutes being a subset of that. The bulk of emissions, the other 2/3, are from non-transport things like electricity and food production. Installing some solar panels and not eating meat might be more ef…

Yes, and no matter how much less meat the billionaires eat, it's not going to move the needle.

A treaty that is sure not to move the needle won't get signed.

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Post by fxtentacle »

sandworm101 wrote: post #10
fxtentacle wrote: post #3

Their main demand seems pretty reasonable to me: "ban or punitively tax carbon-intensive luxury consumptions — starting with private jets and superyachts"

You don't even need to go to punitive taxation. Simply charging them the associated costs would be enough. The parking cost for a private jet should not be any less than the cost to park a car or, more rightly, the dozen cars that could fill the same space. Similarly with the superyachts, charging full price for the inevitable support and emergency service requests would drive down usage without needing to go anywher…

Someone should sell paper costumes so that you can make your car look like an airplane and save on parking fees ;)

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Post by znpy »

Arnt wrote: post #9
fxtentacle wrote: post #3

Their main demand seems pretty reasonable to me: "ban or punitively tax carbon-intensive luxury consumptions — starting with private jets and superyachts"

The problem is that it doesn't matter. Most of that those giant emissions are your daily commute etc. The aren't enough private jets to really make a dent compared to all the middle-class car drivers. Merely being a reasonable demand isn't enough to get a law or treaty. A good intention won't be enough, a likely significant effect is politically necessary.

> The problem is that it doesn't matter.

This line of reasoning can be applied at any level: "my commute to the office? Oh, that doesn't matter, it's the big factories, the big coal-based power plants that pollute. It's the billionaires that pollute. Not me."

So either we all stop shifting the blame on somebody else and we all start cutting our carbon emissions or, we might as well enjoy polluting: we can still blame it on somebody else! (i'm being bitterly sarcastic here)

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Post by NotGMan »

freilanzer wrote: post #16
NotGMan wrote: post #12

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> Yachts are obviously the issue here, NOT private jet planes. Except they are as well, due to the volume of flights. > If a billionare would use regular airplanes he would waste tons of his time. Just like the rest of us. > You want eg Elon Musk to waste a few weeks of his life each year waiting for a plane when he could be building stuff? Yes. He does not build stuff, he pays people to build stuff. Is this you, Elo…

Then why aren't other people capable of doing what he is doing?

How many of the people who build stuff for him would be capable of what he does?

"The rest of us" don't need to travel often to check and supersives factories every day.

The reality is that his time simply is worth more than yours or mine since it will result in exponentialy more products being produced than that of a single worker.

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Post by tumsfestival »

ta20240528 wrote: post #7
fxtentacle wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My reading of the article was that African&Asian countries are upset because they 1. suffer the most from global warming and 2. currently aren't in any position to negotiate or enforce their rights Relevant quotes: "Counting dead bodies after a typhoon isn’t something any child should have to do." "Rich countries have failed to keep their $100 billion climate finance promise" "Rich countries continue to resist calls…

Is a citizen of a an African/Asian country, we're just pissed we can't live like the G7 folk do. Nothing more. You only have to observe how we behave once we get residence in EU/America/Australia and how quickly we forget our compatriots left behind. Don't fall for this faux outrage.

You're cherry-picking and generalizing an entire population based on anecdotal evidence. Sounds like you're projecting.

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Post by jaredklewis »

olivergregory wrote: post #14
Arnt wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that it doesn't matter. Most of that those giant emissions are your daily commute etc. The aren't enough private jets to really make a dent compared to all the middle-class car drivers. Merely being a reasonable demand isn't enough to get a law or treaty. A good intention won't be enough, a likely significant effect is politically necessary.

It's not about the effectiveness: it's about the message.

Wow. So instead of fighting climate change with measures that are actually effective, we’re going with ineffective measures with good “messaging?” I’m sure the millions of climate refugees in 2100 will appreciate our spot on messaging!

Re: Billionaires emit more CO₂ in 90 minutes than most people do in a lifetime

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Post by freilanzer »

NotGMan wrote: post #25
freilanzer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yachts are obviously the issue here, NOT private jet planes. Except they are as well, due to the volume of flights. > If a billionare would use regular airplanes he would waste tons of his time. Just like the rest of us. > You want eg Elon Musk to waste a few weeks of his life each year waiting for a plane when he could be building stuff? Yes. He does not build stuff, he pays people to build stuff. Is this you, Elo…

Then why aren't other people capable of doing what he is doing? How many of the people who build stuff for him would be capable of what he does? "The rest of us" don't need to travel often to check and supersives factories every day. The reality is that his time simply is worth more than yours or mine since it will result in exponentialy more products being produced than that of a single worker.

> Then why aren't other people capable of doing what he is doing?

> How many of the people who build stuff for him would be capable of what he does?

What is he doing exactly? Have an ungodly amount of money and invest it? Gee, I wonder why normal people can't do that.

> The reality is that his time simply is worth more than yours or mine since it will result in exponentialy more products being produced than that of a single worker.

This personality cult is tiring.

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