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Universe would die before monkey with keyboard writes Shakespeare, study finds

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Re: Universe would die before monkey with keyboard writes Shakespeare, study finds

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Post by jdthedisciple »

cortic wrote: post #19
jdthedisciple wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flawed point if it is used to justify the random speciation of evolution. If they can't type out shakespeare, how can evolution randomly yet correctly type out billions of base sequences of dna in just a cple mil yrs?

correctly is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, and the selection process in evolution is not random.

Not the selection itself is random,

but the existence of genetic variants to select from randomly arises due to random genetic mutations according to the theory

Re: Universe would die before monkey with keyboard writes Shakespeare, study finds

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Post by madaxe_again »

andrewstuart wrote: post #4

No-one ever said it would happen within a finite time period, only that it would happen given infinite time. That’s the whole point.

Well, with an infinite number of monkeys, it could happen in a finite time.

As you say, this paper seems to miss the point.

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Post by [deleted] »

cortic wrote: post #19
jdthedisciple wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flawed point if it is used to justify the random speciation of evolution. If they can't type out shakespeare, how can evolution randomly yet correctly type out billions of base sequences of dna in just a cple mil yrs?

correctly is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, and the selection process in evolution is not random.

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Re: Universe would die before monkey with keyboard writes Shakespeare, study finds

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Post by akira2501 »

madaxe_again wrote: post #23
andrewstuart wrote: post #4

No-one ever said it would happen within a finite time period, only that it would happen given infinite time. That’s the whole point.

Well, with an infinite number of monkeys, it could happen in a finite time. As you say, this paper seems to miss the point.

It's sort of like calculating the probability of a hash collision. The speed at which the monkeys type is also a factor.

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Post by hermitcrab »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #17
andrewstuart wrote: post #4

No-one ever said it would happen within a finite time period, only that it would happen given infinite time. That’s the whole point.

Flawed point if it is used to justify the random speciation of evolution. If they can't type out shakespeare, how can evolution randomly yet correctly type out billions of base sequences of dna in just a cple mil yrs?

Life has had 3-4 billions years to evolve on earth.

I suggest you read 'the blind watchmaker' by Dawkins to answer your other question.

Re: Universe would die before monkey with keyboard writes Shakespeare, study finds

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Post by The_Blade »

jessekv wrote: post #18
kypro wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah exactly, it's a thought experiment about infinities... Is someone going to publish a study concluding that Hilbert's Hotel couldn't be built on Earth too? Why are people even spending money on this research? What are they trying to prove/disprove?

I suspect that many academic papers are a petty move to win an argument that started one day over lunch.

i disagree rabble rabble rabble rabble

Re: Universe would die before monkey with keyboard writes Shakespeare, study finds

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Post by madaxe_again »

kypro wrote: post #6
andrewstuart wrote: post #4

No-one ever said it would happen within a finite time period, only that it would happen given infinite time. That’s the whole point.

Yeah exactly, it's a thought experiment about infinities... Is someone going to publish a study concluding that Hilbert's Hotel couldn't be built on Earth too? Why are people even spending money on this research? What are they trying to prove/disprove?

Also Zeno’s paradox is clearly untrue because Achilles would just kill the tortoise after a few days of running back and forth, starving.

Re: Universe would die before monkey with keyboard writes Shakespeare, study finds

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Post by Aerroon »

soco wrote: post #13

A monkey with keyboard already wrote Shakespeare, duh. Other monkeys called it Shakespeare.

In other words: it's "easier" to make better monkeys than to scale up to produce something valuable.

Or in other other words: random generation is highly unlikely to produce something valuable.

Or in other other other words: the amount of useful information in "the library of babel" is miniscule compared to noise.

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