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Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them

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Re: Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them

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I'd prefer it to work like a normal computer where there's a separation of the OS and the hardware. But sure, other phones aren't better.

I'm not sure I've used any operating system where I have more privilege than the kernel does.

You can escalate your privilege if you can freely choose which kernel to run. Maybe you won’t have _more_ privilege than the kernel but you would certainly have as much.

Re: Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them

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They say they can’t, but it’s impossible to be certain. Although, if you distrust Apple enough to think they might lie about it, you probably wouldn’t want to use any Apple device or services. They already have privileged access to the software and hardware.

Yes. SIP means Apple is the real sudo now. You can’t disable their special relationship on their computers

Yes you can. Here are the instructions to disable it:

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/disabling...

Re: Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them

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I'm considered switching to Mac from linux and I came across your blog which has been very informative. What made you chose mac over linux?

I didn't choose Mac over Linux. I chose Mac over Windows in the year 2002, and I became a Mac developer in 2006. Things were a lot different back then. Now it's too late for me, because my entire livelihood depends on Mac.

Fair enough, I guess you are overall happy with the OS though

Re: Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them

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Are you sure Apple can’t read them too?

Are you sure AES 256-bit hasn't been broken?

Best practices for password storage use one-way hash functions (like bcrypt, Argon2, or PBKDF2) rather than encryption algorithms like AES. AES is not one way and in theory you can generate 2nd, 3rd, etc. master keys to decrypt. :)

Re: Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them

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Are you sure AES 256-bit hasn't been broken?

Best practices for password storage use one-way hash functions (like bcrypt, Argon2, or PBKDF2) rather than encryption algorithms like AES. AES is not one way and in theory you can generate 2nd, 3rd, etc. master keys to decrypt. :)

That’s relevant when storing a users password to verify that they’ve entered the correct data, but password managers (which Keychain effectively is, I believe) need to be able to retrieve the original password

Re: Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them

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thats how cloud stored password managers work..

Well, the real problem is iCloud Keychain is essentially a "black box" system. Apple does use AES encryption in various parts of their security architecture, as documented in their security white papers. But we can't confirm the specific implementation details for iCloud Keychain.

And you should also know...

Best practices for password storage use one-way hash functions (like bcrypt, Argon2, or PBKDF2).

Re: Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them

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How do you know?

Why do you want to know?

Indeed, why would you want to know if the keys to your correspondence, bank accounts, investment logins, crypto fortune, backup OTP codes or whatever you might be using a password for, are sent in the clear to a third party.

Re: Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them

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thats how cloud stored password managers work..

They silently enable the option to store in the Cloud on OS update? They offer no option to delete your passwords from the Cloud once there? If that's indeed how they all/always work, we shouldn't just Stockholm-syndrome accept it!

>They offer no option to delete your passwords from the Cloud once there?

Seems pretty trivial to download the icloud windows client (which has password manager support), and modify/delete the passwords there?

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