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Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by gumboshoes » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 5:13 AM UTC

MacTea wrote: post #16

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will happily boot legal websites off while defending animal torture and CSAM. I’ve made many reports to Cloudflare, Google, and the FBI when I come across said websites and so far I have yet to see any be even kicked off Google search let alone Cloudflare.

How do you "come across" animal torture and CSAM?

Not the commenter you asked, but for me I often find it in Google alerts, where to legitimize the site they have front-loaded it with real text scraped from legit sites.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by LAC-Tech » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 5:15 AM UTC

Link not working.

Though the term "Piracy Shield" is very editorialised. Shouldn't we just call it the Firewall? Eg what we call China's system.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by lormayna » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 5:40 AM UTC

The problem exists in Italy: criminal organizations sell a box (called "pezzotto") that connect to illegal streams (mainly sport events). But the law to block it was written in a very terrible way and this tool is even worst.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by cynicalsecurity » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 5:53 AM UTC

Why would Italy have anything called Piracy Shield? Is it located in the West or in China?

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by BLKNSLVR » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 6:01 AM UTC

My 'uninvited activity'[0] system picks up quite a bit from googleusercontent, but also gets a bit from 1e100 network ranges, which is a bit surprising / disappointing.

I have to add exclusions for some google-owned network ranges just so my auto-blocking setup doesn't break some basics critical to just web browsing.

[0]:https://github.com/UninvitedActivity/UninvitedActivity

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by devjab » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 6:10 AM UTC

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #24

Why would Italy have anything called Piracy Shield? Is it located in the West or in China?

To combat illegal sports streaming and betting. On a deeper level it is to combat major crime organisations on a financial level. Italy actually has a lot of initiatives to do these things, though some obviously work better than others. One of the better is how every budget has to has through a government service, to tack illegal activities both internally and across borders. Many EU countries have various things like this, though in Italy is far more focused on the financial aspects because Italy obviously has a big past of organised crime to the point where these organisations rivalled the nation station.

The piracy shield is terribly implemented of course and does a lot of harm to things it wasn’t necessarily meant to target. Part of this is because the law itself is rather terrible and has already undergone multiple changes and amendments, but part of it is also that Italy has a rather tough “no fucks” policy toward major tech companies.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by dxbednarczyk » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 6:29 AM UTC

jazzyjackson wrote: post #19

ruthmarx wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companies like Google and Cloudflare just really don't care that they host malicious content and have stopped taking meaningful action to take down reported content. Honestly I find it incredibly silly companies are still sending out notices to take down copyrighted content. Give up already. The battle is lost and now it's purely a waste of time and money.

The pirates lost, I know one other person besides me that collects movies to watch offline outside of subscription services. The legal actions against free streaming sites prevents any serious competitor to Netflix, Disney-Hulu etc, which are hugely valuable properties.

>The pirates lost

I believe this is not mainly due to big companies and/or governments cracking down on piracy, but a massive loss in knowledge and shift in perspective about piracy, especially in younger generations.

It's true that piracy numbers have been declining, but this largely comes as a result of "piracy is dangerous, don't do it! you'll get viruses!!1!"

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by ruthmarx » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 6:33 AM UTC

jazzyjackson wrote: post #19

ruthmarx wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companies like Google and Cloudflare just really don't care that they host malicious content and have stopped taking meaningful action to take down reported content. Honestly I find it incredibly silly companies are still sending out notices to take down copyrighted content. Give up already. The battle is lost and now it's purely a waste of time and money.

The pirates lost, I know one other person besides me that collects movies to watch offline outside of subscription services. The legal actions against free streaming sites prevents any serious competitor to Netflix, Disney-Hulu etc, which are hugely valuable properties.

The pirates remain triumphant and unshakeable. Why? Because you can go to any number of torrent sites you want right now and download anything you want, and as long as it's not too obscure it will probably not take more than 10 or 2 minutes.

Trying to shut down piracy is playing whack-a-mole with one hammer, 10,000 moles and 100,000,000 holes.

> The legal actions against free streaming sites

The only people using those are people too scared or lacking in knowledge of how to download.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by ruthmarx » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 6:36 AM UTC

johnnyanmac wrote: post #12

ruthmarx wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companies like Google and Cloudflare just really don't care that they host malicious content and have stopped taking meaningful action to take down reported content. Honestly I find it incredibly silly companies are still sending out notices to take down copyrighted content. Give up already. The battle is lost and now it's purely a waste of time and money.

As long as the potential impact exists (and that impact can be huge), they have the time and money to do those takedowns

I don't think the impact has ever truly been huge, although it is almost always overstated.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by sadbutttrue » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 6:47 AM UTC

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #24

Why would Italy have anything called Piracy Shield? Is it located in the West or in China?

All European countries censor the Internet to some extent.

OpenDNS is not operating in France and Portugal, for example. There are many other cases.

Sometimes it's because of piracy, sometimes it's because of terrorism, sometimes it's because it allows voters to post comments about immigration or vaccine policy, or criticism about certain Western allies committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing, etc.