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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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dietsche wrote: post #16

I would like more details. There are definitely situations where neither a car nor a human could respond quickly enough to a situation on the road. for example, I recently hit a deer. The dashcam shows that I had less than 100 feet from when the deer became visible due to terrain to impact while driving at 60 mph. Keeping in mind that stopping a car in 100 feet at 60 mph is impossible. Most vehicles need more than tr…

just have a drone fly ahead and have the lidar pointcloud on hud. This are very bio-logic excuses :)

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by wnevets »

smt88 wrote: post #12
wnevets wrote: post #10

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If no one from Boeing is going to jail, Musk certainly isn't either (at least not for anything related to vehicle unsafety).

> (at least not for anything related to vehicle unsafety).

is that also true if the investigation determines elon saying tesla's having full self-driving capabilities is fraud?

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by Clamchop »

MadnessASAP wrote: post #17
daghamm wrote: post #13

While at it, please also investigate why it is sometimes impossible to leave a damaged vehicle. This has resulted in people dying more than once: https://apnews.com/article/car-crash-tesla-france-fire-be8ec...

The why is pretty well understood, no investigation needed. I don't like the design but it's because the doors are electronic and people don't know where the manual release is. In a panic people go on muscle memory, which is push the useless button. They don't remember to pull the unmarked unobtrusive handle that they may not even know exists. If it was up to me, sure have your electronic release, but make the manual…

Or just use normal handles, inside and outside, like other cars. What they've done is made things worse by any objective metric in exchange for a "huh, nifty" that wears off after a few weeks.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by diggernet »

enslavedrobot wrote: post #9
ck2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are also endless videos of teslas driving into pedestrians, plowing full speed into emergency vehicles parked with flashing lights, veering wildly from strange markings on the road, etc. etc. "works for me" is a very strange response for someone on Hacker News if you have any coding background - you should realize you are a beta tester unwittingly if not a full blown alpha tester in some cases All it will take…

Those are Autopilot videos this discussion is about FSD. FSD has driven ~2 billion miles at this point and had potentially 2 fatal accidents. The US average is 1.33 deaths/100 million miles. Tesla on FSD is easily 10x safer. Every day it gets safer.

How many miles does it have on the latest software? Because any miles driven on previous software are no longer relevant. Especially with that big change in v12.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by whamlastxmas »

peutetre wrote: post #6
whamlastxmas wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s really weird how much you comment about FSD being fake. My Tesla drives me 10+ miles daily and the only time I touch any controls is pulling in and out of my garage. Literally daily. I maybe disengage once every couple days just to be on the safe side in uncertain situations, it I’m sure it’d likely do fine there too. FSD works. It drives itself fine 99.99% of the time. It is better than most human drivers. I do…

The problem is Tesla and Musk have been lying about full self-driving for years. They have made specific claims of full autonomy with specific timelines and it's been a lie every time: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ In 2016 a video purporting to show full self-driving with the driver there purely "for legal reasons" was staged and faked: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-sel... In 2016 Tesla sai…

Most of this is extreme hyperbole and it’s really hard to believe this is a genuine good faith attempt at conversation instead of weird astroturfing, bc these tired inaccurate talking points are what come up in literally every single even remotely associated to Elon. It’s like there’s a dossier of talking points everyone is sharing

The car drives itself. This is literally undeniable. You can test it today for free. Yeah it doesn’t have the last 0.01% done yet and yeah that’s probably a lot of work. But commenting like the GP is exhausting and just not reflective of reality

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by carimura »

MadnessASAP wrote: post #17
daghamm wrote: post #13

While at it, please also investigate why it is sometimes impossible to leave a damaged vehicle. This has resulted in people dying more than once: https://apnews.com/article/car-crash-tesla-france-fire-be8ec...

The why is pretty well understood, no investigation needed. I don't like the design but it's because the doors are electronic and people don't know where the manual release is. In a panic people go on muscle memory, which is push the useless button. They don't remember to pull the unmarked unobtrusive handle that they may not even know exists. If it was up to me, sure have your electronic release, but make the manual…

it's worse than that, at least in ours, the backseat latches are under some mat, literally hidden. i had no idea it was there for the first 6 months.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by nomel »

Clamchop wrote: post #23
MadnessASAP wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The why is pretty well understood, no investigation needed. I don't like the design but it's because the doors are electronic and people don't know where the manual release is. In a panic people go on muscle memory, which is push the useless button. They don't remember to pull the unmarked unobtrusive handle that they may not even know exists. If it was up to me, sure have your electronic release, but make the manual…

Or just use normal handles, inside and outside, like other cars. What they've done is made things worse by any objective metric in exchange for a "huh, nifty" that wears off after a few weeks.

I think this is the way. Light pull does the electronic thing. Hard pull does the mechanical thing. They could have done this with the mechanical handle that's there already (that I have pulled almost every time I've used a Tesla, getting anger and weather stripping inspection from the owner).

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by nomel »

dietsche wrote: post #16

I would like more details. There are definitely situations where neither a car nor a human could respond quickly enough to a situation on the road. for example, I recently hit a deer. The dashcam shows that I had less than 100 feet from when the deer became visible due to terrain to impact while driving at 60 mph. Keeping in mind that stopping a car in 100 feet at 60 mph is impossible. Most vehicles need more than tr…

I've had a person, high on drugs, walk out from between bushes that were along the road. I screeched to a halt in front of them, but 1 second later and physics would have made it impossible, regardless of reaction time (or non-negligible speed).

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by jqpabc123 »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #25
peutetre wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is Tesla and Musk have been lying about full self-driving for years. They have made specific claims of full autonomy with specific timelines and it's been a lie every time: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ In 2016 a video purporting to show full self-driving with the driver there purely "for legal reasons" was staged and faked: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-sel... In 2016 Tesla sai…

Most of this is extreme hyperbole and it’s really hard to believe this is a genuine good faith attempt at conversation instead of weird astroturfing, bc these tired inaccurate talking points are what come up in literally every single even remotely associated to Elon. It’s like there’s a dossier of talking points everyone is sharing The car drives itself. This is literally undeniable. You can test it today for free. Y…

... not reflective of reality

Kinda like repeated claims of "Full Self Driving" for over a decade.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by arcanemachiner »

dietsche wrote: post #16

I would like more details. There are definitely situations where neither a car nor a human could respond quickly enough to a situation on the road. for example, I recently hit a deer. The dashcam shows that I had less than 100 feet from when the deer became visible due to terrain to impact while driving at 60 mph. Keeping in mind that stopping a car in 100 feet at 60 mph is impossible. Most vehicles need more than tr…

This is called "overdriving your vision", and it's so common that it boggles my mind. (This opinion might have something to do with the deer I hit when I first started driving...)

Drive according to the conditions, folks.

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