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Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by siquick » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:45 PM UTC

MicolashKyoka wrote: post #9

this is a dumb feature, you should judge an image by your perception of it, not how it was created (ie machine or human made). the anti ai-generated image crowd is a loud minority, they won't matter in the long term and spending dev time on this is questionable decision making at best. now if you're a forensics company or that is the angle, then yeah it could be an interesting tool to have, might be even more profita…

When deepfake images of MicolashKyoka start clogging up image searches you may wish for this feature.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by freediver » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:45 PM UTC

lol768 wrote: post #15

In the example in the docs, they show someone marking an image that has slipped through the filter as one that's AI generated. But, it comes from Adobe Stock - and I think this really highlights the biggest weakness with how they've gone about implementing this. It's not looking at the images at all, it's looking at where they come from . The problem is that now that Pandora's box has been opened, all sorts of sites…

It is a hard problem to solve and we just started solving it a week ago. There is lot more to be done on this front, but when there is will there is way.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by _yb2s » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:46 PM UTC

MicolashKyoka wrote: post #9

this is a dumb feature, you should judge an image by your perception of it, not how it was created (ie machine or human made). the anti ai-generated image crowd is a loud minority, they won't matter in the long term and spending dev time on this is questionable decision making at best. now if you're a forensics company or that is the angle, then yeah it could be an interesting tool to have, might be even more profita…

It depends on what you're looking for. If I want a photo of a place I'm thinking of visiting, or a wild animal I'm trying to identify- I want to make sure it's a photo of the actual thing, and not a photorealistic AI artwork tagged with that name that may or may not have anything to do with the real thing.

I'm not anti AI but usually when I do an image search, I'm looking for photos of the real world, not artwork (from humans or AI)- and AI is getting so good I can't visually tell them apart.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by SkyBelow » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:47 PM UTC

MostlyStable wrote: post #12

MicolashKyoka wrote: post #9

this is a dumb feature, you should judge an image by your perception of it, not how it was created (ie machine or human made). the anti ai-generated image crowd is a loud minority, they won't matter in the long term and spending dev time on this is questionable decision making at best. now if you're a forensics company or that is the angle, then yeah it could be an interesting tool to have, might be even more profita…

I agree that the source of an image often doesn't matter. But while it's completely _possible_ to make high quality images with AI that match almost any style you want, the current _reality_ is that most AI generated images are slop with an obvious "AI" feel to them, that most people are often not looking for. If I can get rid of those in an automated way, that saves me a _bunch_ of manual decisions, and makes findin…

This reminds me a bit of the XKCD about filtering chat comments comic. If you have an "AI slop" filter that hits false positives on poorly designed real images and has false negatives on high quality AI images, isn't that overall not just a positive, but potentially a better positive than a filter that perfectly filters AI with no false negatives or false positives?

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by Etheryte » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:48 PM UTC

freediver wrote: post #18

Etheryte wrote: post #5

This is a solid idea, but I wish they addressed the elephant in the room — image search is by far the weakest part of Kagi. For a considerable portion of queries, a large part of the results isn't relevant. If you use filters, they're often ignored or don't apply correctly. Many images are tangentially related at best. The list goes on. I've been paying for Kagi for a long while, yet I've seen nearly no improvements…

Would you mind being specific and posting a search quality issue with a concrete example(s) to kagifeedback.org? We are keen to address the issues you are seeing.

I actually did post on your feedback site nearly a year ago, still no feedback or response on it so far [0]. It's been marked as under review, so it must be one thorough review process.

[0] https://kagifeedback.org/d/2565-image-search-doesnt-respect-...

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by pera » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:49 PM UTC

ricardo81 wrote: post #19

Semi related +1 for mojeek powering their results. Kagi gets a lot of favour on HN, worth a nod to Mojeek for powering their organic results to an extent.

wow just compare these two results:

https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=baby+peacock&fmt=images

https://www.google.com/search?q=baby+peacock&sclient=img&udm...

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by RheingoldRiver » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:53 PM UTC

pera wrote: post #26

ricardo81 wrote: post #19

Semi related +1 for mojeek powering their results. Kagi gets a lot of favour on HN, worth a nod to Mojeek for powering their organic results to an extent.

wow just compare these two results: https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=baby+peacock&fmt=images https://www.google.com/search?q=baby+peacock&sclient=img&udm...

hmm, I am not certain that I prefer the option without the source listed. For example, I might prefer an image from Wikipedia over another image. Or if I am searching for a map and the URL has the word 'historical' I would not choose that one. etc.

It depends on what I am searching for and why I want to use it.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by ricardo81 » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

pera wrote: post #26

ricardo81 wrote: post #19

Semi related +1 for mojeek powering their results. Kagi gets a lot of favour on HN, worth a nod to Mojeek for powering their organic results to an extent.

wow just compare these two results: https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=baby+peacock&fmt=images https://www.google.com/search?q=baby+peacock&sclient=img&udm...

If you look closer, Kagi uses Mojeek for organic results, not images

I guess to me anyway, images/news etc is a sideshow to the wider web, as in a crawler/indexer and not a pretendy meta search.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by BoredPositron » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

huesatbri wrote: post #20

Etheryte wrote: post #5

This is a solid idea, but I wish they addressed the elephant in the room — image search is by far the weakest part of Kagi. For a considerable portion of queries, a large part of the results isn't relevant. If you use filters, they're often ignored or don't apply correctly. Many images are tangentially related at best. The list goes on. I've been paying for Kagi for a long while, yet I've seen nearly no improvements…

Yandex image search is really good.

Probably the best tbh

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by EA-3167 » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:59 PM UTC

jsheard wrote: post #2

For those who haven't jumped ship to Kagi, there's a uBlacklist feed which strips out most big sites dedicated to AI images, with an optional extra "nuclear" feed which also knocks out sites that aren't strictly dedicated to AI images but do have a very large proportion of them. https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist

Still, give Kagi a chance. I don't work for them, I don't have friends who work for them, I'm just a guy who uses Kagi and will never look back. It isn't expensive and it's SO worth it.