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Do Fungi Recognize Shapes?

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Re: Do Fungi Recognize Shapes?

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When you describe the fungus as trying to do something, you just ascribed intelligence to it.

Almost all living beings process signals(especially chemical signals), bacteria for example starts making beta lactamase in presence of antibiotics.

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Re: Do Fungi Recognize Shapes?

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When you describe the fungus as trying to do something, you just ascribed intelligence to it.

Almost all living beings process signals(especially chemical signals), bacteria for example starts making beta lactamase in presence of antibiotics.

I think that all living beings and even cells within a living being possess a form of intelligence. Though I don't know enough about biology to defend that intuitive understanding with the rigor that many HN readers would require and many here would possess.

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This is fascinating. Where could I learn more about these sorts of bonsai techniques? Is there a book or website that you would particularly recommend? I’ve always been intrigued by bonsai but if you do a basic web search it’s just people selling trash.

Try Heron Bonsai on YouTube. I’m actually out of the hobby because I kill trees unless they’re in the ground.

Thank you!

Re: Do Fungi Recognize Shapes?

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I like fungi as much as the next guy, but I can't help but feel like this might be attributing more meaning than is really there. Wouldn't the whole result also be described by chemical gradients in food and water availability? Maybe this is addressed in the full paper, but it feels like that would be a simpler model that gives the same end result?

I couldn’t agree more. The paper leaves mushroom for doubt.

Much more risotto is needed.

Re: Do Fungi Recognize Shapes?

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On Earth the minimal conditions (or a trigger signal) to allow them manifestate* into brain of the planet networking different kinds of organisms just didn't happen yet (viruses messaging with trials - so far so good, and.. humans) - but we, humans, are exterminating smaller proto-brains (forests, like Amazon) in their infancy instead (?) (it's similar transition like into being a colony of specialized cooperating cells - unlike with mitochondria - which did actually happen ). (* - similar to evolve but preprogramed - follows that SF applying Occam's razor to infinity: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34836772 ..)

Re: Do Fungi Recognize Shapes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost all living beings process signals(especially chemical signals), bacteria for example starts making beta lactamase in presence of antibiotics.

I think that all living beings and even cells within a living being possess a form of intelligence. Though I don't know enough about biology to defend that intuitive understanding with the rigor that many HN readers would require and many here would possess.

Cells are mobile, hunt, some even see using photoreceptive organelles on the inside of a section of cell wall using the cytoplasm as a lens. The function of many organelles clearly visible in cells under microscopy is still unknown. But it's clear they're doing a fair amount of computation and behaving intelligently. I'm struck by how similar gene regulatory network maps can look to function call graphs[1] and ion channel receptors in cell walls behave very similarly to transistors with on/off but also signal amplification applications. The more I watch them under microscopy, the harder it is not to think of cells as little animals unto their own. A great channel for beautiful footage is https://www.youtube.com/@journeytomicro

1: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel-Goncalves-3/pub...

Re: Do Fungi Recognize Shapes?

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Looks more to me like self identification, and natural selection. That’s not a lot of wood for 120 days. This fungus is trying to maximize its chances by reaching out as far as it can to find more wood before it dies of starvation. Away from where it has already searched.

And where, exactly, does it store the information that it has already searched an area? and how does it avoid dedicating resources to re-searching it?

Maybe epigenetically in the gigabytes of nuclear material they move around from cell to cell through the mycelium?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0uffu5XM-s

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W85G9O9XY98

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On Earth the minimal conditions (or a trigger signal) to allow them manifestate * into brain of the planet networking different kinds of organisms just didn't happen yet (viruses messaging with trials - so far so good, and.. humans) - but we, humans, are exterminating smaller proto-brains (forests, like Amazon) in their infancy instead (?) (it's similar transition like into being a colony of specialized cooperating c…

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Re: Do Fungi Recognize Shapes?

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On Earth the minimal conditions (or a trigger signal) to allow them manifestate * into brain of the planet networking different kinds of organisms just didn't happen yet (viruses messaging with trials - so far so good, and.. humans) - but we, humans, are exterminating smaller proto-brains (forests, like Amazon) in their infancy instead (?) (it's similar transition like into being a colony of specialized cooperating c…

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