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Re: Living outside America

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"it’s very hard to truly question your beliefs if everyone around you shares them."

This gravitation toward a shared belief makes it not surprising that living where most peoples' belief is that God does not exist would result in one sharing that belief.

Thanks for the article. It's always great to see other perspectives on the world.

Re: Living outside America

#22
I've been able to do the first 3 without leaving (perhaps because I wasn't born here), and number 4 doesn't seem so certain.

What I noticed about living outside America when I did it later as an adult was that it made it clearer what was distinctive about the US.

Many of the distinctive things I noticed could be summed up by describing America as a young culture. Americans have the optimism and energy of youth, but they're also comparatively unsophisticated.

Re: Living outside America

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post #3

Living and traveling outside the US (Europe, Middle East, Asia) for ~15 years convinced me of the inherent superiority of the US (culturally, economically, etc.). Our government is broken, but generally the US lets problems get really inefficiently bad, then overcorrects, so I hope that will happen in the next 20 years. The threats to the US are not other countries getting better than us, but the decline of the natio…

"Living and traveling outside the US for ~15 years convinced me of the inherent superiority of the US"

As an Australian who has travelled the world extensively, spent a great deal of time in the USA, and currently lives in Canada, I strongly disagree with this statement.

It should also be noted that in most quality of life indexes, cities in the US rank far below many of those in Europe, Canada, and Australia - that is one such meaningful metric in my mind when declaring the "superiority" of a country (which I think is a pretty absurd notion anyway)*

* http://www.mercer.com/press-releases/quality-of-living-repor...

Re: Living outside America

#24

> I stopped calling myself a Christian Specific to this point as someone that has lived in England forever I find it really strange how on the reddit atheism subreddit all the (American) posters act as if they're persecuted for their Atheism whereas in England religion is just something people do in private if they do it at all, it's hard for me to understand the way r/atheism posters perceive their persecution, but…

As I mention in another comment, atheism is shamed in America. You could say you're viewed as...immoral? A belief in God (at least in my community) is expected, and it's certainly expected in our highest political figures and celebrities.

Re: Living outside America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never really understood the notion that any one country is better than another one. It just seems way too subjective and people seem to generally favour the country they were born or brought up in. I think it's much like picking a car. You can argue the pros/cons all day and night but it just boils down to what you personally prefer and what evidence you feel justifies your decision. Declaring a country is bette…

Obviously you need a metric, but mine is "place to start a world-changing technology business."

For various definitions of "world-changing" (i.e. one disruptive enough), the US is the worst possible place to do it.

A fair example being how fucked all the bitcoin startups are going to be once the market is big enough for FinCEN to care about... or e-gold if you want a historical one.

The US is fine and dandy... if you don't mind not having privacy, and keep your "world-changing" ideas within the lines of what the military-industrial complex sees as acceptable.

Re: Living outside America

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post #3

Living and traveling outside the US (Europe, Middle East, Asia) for ~15 years convinced me of the inherent superiority of the US (culturally, economically, etc.). Our government is broken, but generally the US lets problems get really inefficiently bad, then overcorrects, so I hope that will happen in the next 20 years. The threats to the US are not other countries getting better than us, but the decline of the natio…

This quote from the article "I don’t view the USA as the center of the world." seems rather fitting with the part where you mention America as culturally superior to other cultures.

Re: Living outside America

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post #3

Living and traveling outside the US (Europe, Middle East, Asia) for ~15 years convinced me of the inherent superiority of the US (culturally, economically, etc.). Our government is broken, but generally the US lets problems get really inefficiently bad, then overcorrects, so I hope that will happen in the next 20 years. The threats to the US are not other countries getting better than us, but the decline of the natio…

> Living and traveling outside the US (Europe, Middle East, Asia) for ~15 years convinced me of the inherent superiority of the US (culturally, economically, etc.).

To be fair, most of the places you lived in that 15 years sucked really hard, even just objectively. The good non-US places are way better than the states in almost every measurable aspect.

Re: Living outside America

#28

> I stopped calling myself a Christian Specific to this point as someone that has lived in England forever I find it really strange how on the reddit atheism subreddit all the (American) posters act as if they're persecuted for their Atheism whereas in England religion is just something people do in private if they do it at all, it's hard for me to understand the way r/atheism posters perceive their persecution, but…

Religion seems to be much more pervasisve in public policy in America than anywhere else. 40% of voters believe the Rapture/end of the world will occur in their lifetime. This is unprecendented in any secular country, and it affects all spheres of life. Why worry about global warming when Jesus is going to come back and fix everything in a few years anyway?

Re: Living outside America

#29
#1 is the huge one. Americans say "the world" when they mean "the whole country". For most USAians, it is pretty inconceivable that anyone lives drastically differently than they do.

It's inexcusable, considering the breadth of information available to the contrary, but most just never expose themselves to it. I know I didn't until I moved away.

Re: Living outside America

#30
post #9

This is a great article, and as a European I can relate to all of his points. Here are some comments from the other side of the pond; they're of course my personal opinion but I think they're somewhat representative of the European view. I don’t view the USA as the center of the world - i see America as an overreaching empire that has had it's heyday. If you take a historical perspective this is how many empires fall…

I've been an out American for 7 years now, first two in Switzerland, the last 5 in China. I still think America has a lot going for it. Switzerland is efficient and fair, but something is missing because of restrained competition and protectionism. China is the exact opposite, and its hard to believe the system works at all. For whatever troubles America has, our system still works and is rather effective; no one is really coddled and you have to work hard, but social mobility is still better in the US than anywhere else.

There are people ignorant about the world in any country, I'm not sure why we always single out home bound Americans for being apathetic to world events. There is plenty of that to go around, even in Europe where people tend to travel more to other countries, but especially in China and even in Japan where people have many misconceptions about the rest of the world.

There are no more superpowers, not when IEDs are easy enough to procure by anyone.

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