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MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by gtvwill »

threeseed wrote: post #15
pt_PT_guy wrote: post #6

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Well pack it up boys, Linux on the desktop is finally ready.

Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings, ubuntu desktop is about as schmick as it gets regardless of your views of the parent company.

Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones. Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken. Have to save everything to desktop and open it from there. It's an absolute joke. Wanna use your 7 year old Mac to browse the web? Oh wait you can't because the os blocks it. Legit joke of a product.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by lukan »

Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #11
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Safari is shit" credit until they and Google force the internet until a browser-turned App-Play-Store war. Both companies win, and can blame the other company - all while incentivising anti-competition behavior and benefiting from their own organizational, yet alt…

"they fail to see the systematic risks"

Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by [deleted] »

latexr wrote: post #5
Affric wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t think of anything I want less from a laptop than it playing sound when I open it… and yet apple bring it to me as though it’s a feature.

That’s an unfair characterisation. It’s just restoring windows, some of which happen to be browser windows, which then load a website with auto-playing video or audio that (unsurprisingly) starts playing. No one is selling it as a feature to “play sound when waking up from sleep”. I bet that if you configured the browser to never auto-play, this wouldn’t happen. To clarify, because commenters seem to be misunderstand…

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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by bayindirh »

Kbelicius wrote: post #18
bayindirh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS sleeps the moment you close the lid, and wakes the moment you raise it a little. It's instantaneous, esp. ARM powered ones.

Sorry, mistook which post you were replying to.

Nah, no problems. Things happen. Have a nice day :)

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by Jerrrrrrry »

chx wrote: post #8
latexr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s an unfair characterisation. It’s just restoring windows, some of which happen to be browser windows, which then load a website with auto-playing video or audio that (unsurprisingly) starts playing. No one is selling it as a feature to “play sound when waking up from sleep”. I bet that if you configured the browser to never auto-play, this wouldn’t happen. To clarify, because commenters seem to be misunderstand…

I do not think the user particularly cares whether it was an intentional feature or an unfortunate byproduct of features and bugs when they open a laptop in a classroom or a meeting and it starts blaring the music they listened to before closing it.

Some areas of expertise require so much work, it nearly prevents the student from learning to appreciate the intent, the craft, itself.

It's like being literally unable to dog

Opening a laptop, even if the last activity was blaring obnoxious carnival music, should _allow_, not _demand_ the user to resume their last function - which was explicitly to _pause_ the laptop, by closing the lid.

If I close the lid, I am done with the computer and video; it is obvious that I am done right now - the OS/browser would be alerted of LidDown, and I would expect the OS to tell the browser to Pause (via some new javascript media API that I am sure exists), pagefile ram if possible/needed, and dump all console.logs to a temp directory, in case restarting from hibernation goes awry.

If I open the lid, I am attempting to use the computer. The previous quest can be pertinent or moot; but it would be oddly assumptive (against the ethos of general computing) to _automagically_ resume (especially a paused) playback just from first button press - at least give me the option to explore, format, or rename the thing.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by phoe-krk »

lukan wrote: post #23
Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Safari is shit" credit until they and Google force the internet until a browser-turned App-Play-Store war. Both companies win, and can blame the other company - all while incentivising anti-competition behavior and benefiting from their own organizational, yet alt…

"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?

The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by sureIy »

gtvwill wrote: post #21
threeseed wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well pack it up boys, Linux on the desktop is finally ready.

Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings, ubuntu desktop is about as schmick as it gets regardless of your views of the parent company. Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones. Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken. Have to save everything to desktop and open it from there. It's an absolu…

Can I ctrl-paste the contents of my phone's clipboard onto my Linux computer? How many hours would that take to set up? Because that works out of the box with Macs and iPhones. Pretty useful daily.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by andrepd »

theshrike79 wrote: post #4
Affric wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t think of anything I want less from a laptop than it playing sound when I open it… and yet apple bring it to me as though it’s a feature.

There are exactly zero situations where I would want my laptop be anything except fully muted when I open it.

Configurability is also out of fashion nowadays, so you'll get that behaviour and enjoy it.
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