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Re: Response to DHH

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Post by ankleturtle »

wglb wrote: post #13

Suggesting that DHH should seek therapy is way out of line. > I’m unsure why you felt you had to insert yourself into this fight with Silver Lake / WP Engine and take their side, but here we are. It seems that the fight has been made public with photomatt's constant commentary, at least on HN. Unconvincing.

> Suggesting that DHH should seek therapy is way out of line.

Matt already knows this.[0]

photomatt: "It is also unethical to publicly speculate on my medication, medical state, or mental health."

0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB1ZXFiEgJY

Re: Response to DHH

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Post by everforward »

jsnell wrote: post #9
minimaxir wrote: post #3

> Rails, finally some open source! Looks like ~943k lines of code, 143k from Basecamp org. Automattic publishes 6.58M lines of open source code, 6.9x more than you. Yet, we’re “doing open source dirty”? Wait, did he just use lines of code as a success metric unironically?

I'm pretty sure it's not being used as a success metric there, but as a contribution metric.

It's not really meaningful either way. I could write a script to append "print('Hello, world!')" to the main function 6 million times, and I would have contributed 6 million lines but nothing of value. Actually, it's probably negative value now that someone else has to go clean that up.

It may also have to do with the brevity of the respective languages; I'm not a Ruby or PHP expert, but I do Go and Python and I would not be surprised if the Go version required an order of magnitude more lines because of how verbose it is and how terse Python can be.

Comparing lines of code in different languages, doing different things, with differing levels of complexity, is an exercise in futility.

Re: Response to DHH

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Post by pelagicAustral »

"David, perhaps it would be good to explore with a therapist or coach why you keep having these great ideas but cannot scale them beyond a handful of niche customers."

This is kind of intriguing to me too...

Re: Response to DHH

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Post by legitster »

> I was surprised someone as smart as DHH would fall for WP Engine’s lame deferral to make this about “GPL code” or forking, rather than trademarks. We have no problem with their use of GPL code, our beef is with their trademark abuse.

Ah yes, defending trademarks. Really the rallying cry of the people. That's what everyone cares about here. Nice motte and bailey you have there.

Also, Matt is not even reading Ruby on Rail's trademark clause that he posted: "You may use these marks to refer to Ruby on Rails in a way where it’s clear that you’re simply referring to the project, not claiming endorsement or association."

Also, also Matt: If you are going to throw down over people about not donating enough to charity, you should really tell people what charities you are donating to. It better not turn out your charitable donations are to your own Wordpress org which we now know is little more than a marketing/PR department for Automattic.

Re: Response to DHH

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Post by Kye »

>> "And you can arbitrarily cut off anyone publishing with Hey, they have no open source rights."

This is not a serious person. This is not a self-aware person.

Re: Response to DHH

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Post by pluc »

hluska wrote: post #18

Saying nothing is always an option. It’s too bad that Automattic won’t consider that option because over the last 24 hours this has gone from embarrassing to nasty. I didn’t expect a supply chain attack yesterday. And sure didn’t expect Mullenweg’s reply to DHH to be so childish.

Seriously he needs to really weigh shutting the fuck up instead of doing this pointless arguing. WPEngine haven't said a thing and have gotten all the support because he keeps digging this hole. Hopefully the consequences of his actions will bring him back to reality, but the longer it goes unchecked the more damaging it gets

Re: Response to DHH

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Post by ankleturtle »

legitster wrote: post #24

> I was surprised someone as smart as DHH would fall for WP Engine’s lame deferral to make this about “GPL code” or forking, rather than trademarks. We have no problem with their use of GPL code, our beef is with their trademark abuse. Ah yes, defending trademarks. Really the rallying cry of the people. That's what everyone cares about here. Nice motte and bailey you have there. Also, Matt is not even reading Ruby on…

Matt made a post a few weeks ago about his charitable donations.[0] It's really just a "I'm better than them" post. And it doesn't say where any of it was donated.

0. https://ma.tt/2024/09/charitable-contributions/

Re: Response to DHH

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Post by polotics »

hluska wrote: post #18

Saying nothing is always an option. It’s too bad that Automattic won’t consider that option because over the last 24 hours this has gone from embarrassing to nasty. I didn’t expect a supply chain attack yesterday. And sure didn’t expect Mullenweg’s reply to DHH to be so childish.

Childish? Really? I read Matt's post as modern incivility, very grown-up nasty, one thin layer of fainted respectable sounding wordage wrapping extremely rude barbs.

Re: Response to DHH

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Post by kibwen »

This is currently flagged, but I don't think it should be.

Yes, it's unlikely to result in any constructive discussion here. At best we could remark that the author appears to be unwell and that taking this down could save him some face.

However, the author is also an adult who is capable of taking responsibility for their own actions. In addition they are presenting themselves genuinely and sincerely here, which IMO is an important consideration for anyone who uses or is thinking about using WordPress.

So yes, it's drama, but it's highly relevant drama to people who are making decisions of what stacks to build on. This is information that people to deserve to have, even if, perhaps, it's not the interpretation that the author intended to evoke.

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