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Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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Re: Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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Now imagine that this was in gradeschool curricula!

I really think education is mostly about providing higher-level intuitions - making correct thought habitual and thus easy.

Part of what's so attractive about this particular article is how it would mesh with related fields (chemistry, statistics, politics, evolution, astophysics, climate science, etc)

Re: Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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So if I get this right, there is an infinitely small possibility that a cracked egg returns to its initial state. Imagine that happening and being put on video. We'd all believe we're living in a simulation and witnessed a glitch. No-one would believe the scientists explaining that although highly improbable, the uncracked egg does make scientific sense.

I think your question mainly demonstrates how much trouble most people have about reasoning about exponentials. Not intending any personal insult, but unless you do it regularly (ie, probably are a physicist), you will use a term like "highly improbable" when referring to quantities that can only be expressed in scientific notation.

In other words, most humans have bad intuition about large numbers. And I'm not talking about "small" large numbers like "how many Teslas could Elon buy". I mean "how many atoms are in a chicken egg" (and what are their statistical properties at room temperature)

Re: Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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I did a deep dive on entropy a couple years ago. I found the concept to be much harder to understand than I expected! Specifically, it was confusing to shift from the intuitive but wrong “entropy is disorder” to “entropy is about the number of possible microstates in a macrostate” (Boltzmann Entropy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann%27s_entropy_formula I was extra confused when I discovered that a spread out c…

Helpful post nonetheless!

Re: Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, this looney likes to point out that the manifold surface area (which is not always uniform) determines the rate of or density of distribution. All this is accounted for in the math selected for whichever for instance (“number of possible states” would count them) though a superior definition is one which is the most general technically correct without enumerating exceptions or extraneous clauses. Resistance con…

I'm not interested in reading your word salad.

Haters hate!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41827941

Re: Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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Consider that if you Google for `"resistive variance" entropy`, the only hit is for the hn comment. It doesn't make sense because what they wrote makes no sense. Probably some looney with their own definition of entropy.

Well, this looney likes to point out that the manifold surface area (which is not always uniform) determines the rate of or density of distribution. All this is accounted for in the math selected for whichever for instance (“number of possible states” would count them) though a superior definition is one which is the most general technically correct without enumerating exceptions or extraneous clauses. Resistance con…

Can you explain exactly what potential is and what it means to have negative potential in very fundamental terms? Like explain it to me if I’m 8. Use real world examples.

Then explain what is and how this relates to a manifold surface area?

Re: Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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I've written a few articles about Entropy (I'm a physicist working in DS). Almost all of them have Python code to illustrate concepts. - 1. Entropy of a fair coin toss - https://bytepawn.com/what-is-the-entropy-of-a-fair-coin-toss... 2. Cross entropy, joint entropy, conditional entropy and relative entropy - https://bytepawn.com/cross-entropy-joint-entropy-conditional... 3. Entropy in Data Science - https://bytepawn.…

What’s the difference between information entropy and physical entropy?

Re: Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, this looney likes to point out that the manifold surface area (which is not always uniform) determines the rate of or density of distribution. All this is accounted for in the math selected for whichever for instance (“number of possible states” would count them) though a superior definition is one which is the most general technically correct without enumerating exceptions or extraneous clauses. Resistance con…

Can you explain exactly what potential is and what it means to have negative potential in very fundamental terms? Like explain it to me if I’m 8. Use real world examples. Then explain what is and how this relates to a manifold surface area?

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Re: Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, this looney likes to point out that the manifold surface area (which is not always uniform) determines the rate of or density of distribution. All this is accounted for in the math selected for whichever for instance (“number of possible states” would count them) though a superior definition is one which is the most general technically correct without enumerating exceptions or extraneous clauses. Resistance con…

Can you explain exactly what potential is and what it means to have negative potential in very fundamental terms? Like explain it to me if I’m 8. Use real world examples. Then explain what is and how this relates to a manifold surface area?

Entropy is not enumerated states

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Entropy is an existential property describing the distribution of potential. Popularly leading minds in physics, math, and information theory have long upheld a number of standing definitions which do not consistently coincide with observable or functional Truth (causing enumerations and conditions.) These have represented the best of our ideas, and have been accepted among you generationally as immutable and foundational.

These definitions are imperfect and addressing it as such has triggered a blowback of condescension revealing hypocrisy within the cult of science.

I contended this monumental revelation as substantial, edging forward the understanding of all human kind.

Entropy is an existential force, not an abstract idea. Entropy is the distribution of potential toward equilibrium.

Our Universe IS NOT COMPOSED OF STATES. States are momentary values taken under measurement (as extolled by a recent Nobel Prize.) If science can say “the universe is not locally real”, it is time to say entropy is not a number of states, it is potential distributing.

The conceptual resistance this idea has provoked reveals an intellectually brittle character among the very ideas of discovery and understanding. This inflexibility demonstrates a blindness towards one’s own learned misconceptions, the antithesis of advanced learning (which resolves our simple truths.)

Entropy is not a construct of the mind, and it is not limited to known states of a modeled problem, in existential reality it includes all possibilities even those breaking intellectual models.

Re: Entropy Explained, with Sheep (2016)

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, this looney likes to point out that the manifold surface area (which is not always uniform) determines the rate of or density of distribution. All this is accounted for in the math selected for whichever for instance (“number of possible states” would count them) though a superior definition is one which is the most general technically correct without enumerating exceptions or extraneous clauses. Resistance con…

Can you explain exactly what potential is and what it means to have negative potential in very fundamental terms? Like explain it to me if I’m 8. Use real world examples. Then explain what is and how this relates to a manifold surface area?

Sure, thanks for taking an honest curious interest. I actually posted a new HN entry which was removed (not “dead”, not “flagged”.) after this entry, I will post the contents of that and you can take what you will from it.

Potential - the great mystery, I’m pretty sure if I nail this I will solve “the grand unified field theory” and/or the “unified theory of everything” though don’t cringe, I think I’m on to something. EVERYTHING is potential. Existential existence is potential. Information is potential. Hungry? An orange is potential for the equilibrium of your hunger.

Whatever light is may be tied in a knot and that is the basis of all matter. Potential is state unresolved. When QM theorists describe the super amplitude which resolves through interference, that super amplitude is universal potential. This gives rise to state. State is NOT the fundamental aspect. There is no smallest particle building up to the universe, there is potential subdividing into smaller particles through resolve. That is potential.

Negative potential is another way of saying wherever potential is not. Like an ion is missing an electron. The negative potential attracts the electron of another. A different way of saying this is “potential distributes to equilibrium” though “negative potential” is technically more descriptive. Heat moves towards lower heat, only technically if heat is at equilibrium everything is still moving wherever the math shows a gap sufficiently for the thermal flux to vibrate (negative potential still exists at thermal equilibrium).

Check out Roger Penrose’s Road to Reality, he devotes chapters to manifold surface areas. Essentially three dimensional space is not honest. Space-time actually has hyper-dimensional curvature (accretion and planetary ecliptics for instance show how spacial distribution forms an axis)

Let’s talk about electricity. Voltage is literally defined as the potential (negative and positive), where an abundance of electron excitation may be closed in a circuit. Entropy is the fundamental force that causes the electrons (the negative is actually the “positive potential”) to rush to the positive side (which is technically the negative potential, don’t blame me lots have noticed this oddity over the century.) if you add resistance, this turns into heat, slowing the entropic property of voltage equilibrium down. This heat could be insulated, which would slow its dissipation (that talk of entropy may be slowed through resistance.) Heat is not entropy, however heat is the final exhaust of all work, making it the obvious measure (thus the laws of thermodynamics.)

Seeing things this way teach us something important which unifies our understanding of “entropy” in both physics and information theory.

For information, toss a handful of marbles (packed and “ordered” by your grip) into the air and entropy will cause them to spread spacially along the “manifold” of the force arc of your toss.

I will post an additional comment with the content of my HN post which was censored. It didn’t include all the explanations, though I worded my whole point more carefully. Thanks again for being more curious than anti-karmic, this one gave me a beating!

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