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Re: Amazon cloud outage takes down Netflix, Instagram, Pinterest, & more

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Post by rdl »

asenchi wrote: post #18
rdl wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heroku is single-AZ within US-East, not even multiple-AZ.

Sorry but that is not even remotely true. We are hosted across all availability zones in the US-EAST region.

Ah, I didn't know that. Sorry. (I don't remember where I heard about single-AZ but it seemed consistent with observation)

Is Heroku resilient against single-AZ failure (so only some subset of customers go down, and then it restarts), or is it exposed so that if any AZ goes down, core stuff also goes down? The sites I care about on Heroku seem to go down whenever any US-East badness happens at all, even if it is "limited to a single AZ" per Amazon.

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Post by TuanaRegis »

URSpider94 wrote: post #8
meiji wrote: post #2

From the article - "The outage underscores the vulnerabilities of depending on the public cloud versus using your own data centers." No it doesn't. It underscores the vulnerabilities of not understanding your hosting and accepting the "no outages" slogans of ANY cloud. A single data centre is always susceptible to outages like this, it doesn't matter who owns it. If any of those sites had owned a single data centre t…

Exactly. Anyone running their own data center would be subject to exactly this kind of outage, and wouldn't have access to the many, many resources that cloud providers make available to ensure successful fail-over.

Yes, I can see the "many, many resources" Amazon is making available to you in this situation. Did they send you a rubber ball that you can squeeze while waiting for your servers to come back up?

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Post by sandfox »

tomjen3 wrote: post #20
meiji wrote: post #2

From the article - "The outage underscores the vulnerabilities of depending on the public cloud versus using your own data centers." No it doesn't. It underscores the vulnerabilities of not understanding your hosting and accepting the "no outages" slogans of ANY cloud. A single data centre is always susceptible to outages like this, it doesn't matter who owns it. If any of those sites had owned a single data centre t…

Actually it shows the inability to rely on amazon. A storm causes a complete disaster? Where is the redundant connections? The independent power supply? Heck where is the storm drains?

Thats sort of what some large storms can do - esp when they come with a large amount of electrical activity in them. You can easily suffer all kinds damage to power system that generators can't deal with.

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Post by sandfox »

zhoutong wrote: post #12
heretohelp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be because Amazon.com doesn't use AWS.

No, it doesn't. Even the name servers of Amazon.com belong to UltraDNS and Dynect, instead of their own Route 53.

Route53 uses UltraDNS.

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Post by zhoutong »

sandfox wrote: post #24
zhoutong wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it doesn't. Even the name servers of Amazon.com belong to UltraDNS and Dynect, instead of their own Route 53.

Route53 uses UltraDNS.

No it's wrong.

> "I also wanted to clarify that Route 53 is an Amazon-built and operated service. It is not a re-branding of a third party DNS service. Over time you'll see various parts of Amazon move over to use Route 53."

https://forums.aws.amazon.com/message.jspa?messageID=209251#...

Re: Amazon cloud outage takes down Netflix, Instagram, Pinterest, & more

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Post by DeanCollinsNYC »

Uhm can someone explain what I’m missing?

I havent been involved in data centers since 2002 but in my last data center project we were carrying minimum 5 days diesel power with supply contracts in place for a further 10 days.

WTF? a few days of heat and half of the internetz gets shut down?

I thought the advantage of EC2 was they could re-route computing power on demand around the world etc? eg SF was carrying heavy power loads they could switch it to geothermal in Iceland and stuff like that?

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Post by notmyhnname »

heretohelp wrote: post #11
lubos wrote: post #7

It's interesting how AWS outage didn't take down Amazon.com.

That would be because Amazon.com doesn't use AWS.

While what you say was certainly true when AWS launched, today it is not. Much of Amazon is hosted in an EC2 VPC connected to the traditional prod network. This includes all of retail website and (today) many of the services that power said website.

Other AWS services are also used frequently and heavily. AWS use is strongly encouraged for any new projects.

Re: Amazon cloud outage takes down Netflix, Instagram, Pinterest, & more

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Post by brown9-2 »

tomjen3 wrote: post #20
meiji wrote: post #2

From the article - "The outage underscores the vulnerabilities of depending on the public cloud versus using your own data centers." No it doesn't. It underscores the vulnerabilities of not understanding your hosting and accepting the "no outages" slogans of ANY cloud. A single data centre is always susceptible to outages like this, it doesn't matter who owns it. If any of those sites had owned a single data centre t…

Actually it shows the inability to rely on amazon. A storm causes a complete disaster? Where is the redundant connections? The independent power supply? Heck where is the storm drains?

That's exactly why they offer multiple zones. You can't make a single zone of anything 100% fault-tolerant.
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