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Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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Isn't Apple notorious for shutting down apps that usurp their markets?

more specifically, Apple is Apple for shutting down apps that usurp their markets. But don't worry - Apple won't be Apple for much longer, and it has given up on all premium differentiation by being idiots.

> it has given up on all premium differentiation by being idiots.

Elaborate?

Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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they very much do care. If the only button anyone clicked on the home screen was "Firefox" and then did everything from there forever, pretty soon people would realize they don't really need an iPhone and would buy a far-less premium device. This is exactly what will happen in Apple allows Chrome. They should remove it from the app store. It's against their policies and just like flash in mobile safari (firefox on io…

> Tim Cook is running Apple into the ground by removing Apple's user experience differentiation. He is creating beige boxes. Samsung can do that. Asus can do that. He needs to take a look at what the fuck Apple even is. Are we thinking of the same Apple? Because the iPad 3 and the retina Macbook Pro don't really conjure up images of beige boxes for me.

Anti-apple fanboys are rabid in this thread, today. But as anyone who deals with the anti-fanboys on a regular basis can tell you: haters gonna' hate.

Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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That's a pretty good chicken little, there. I'll tell you a story about my first time with an Android device. I went to the store to download an app. And it failed. Over. And over. And over again. The device emitted a cryptic error message which, thankfully, was easily Googled. The troubleshooting steps required diving into the settings application and manipulating some controls to reset a data store in a low-level c…

I'm telling you what happens if Apple allows Firefox to dominate the iOS ecosystem. It's easier to target, it's easier to get right as a single app on an android device, and it crushes Apple's ecosystem and differnetiation. They've fucked up letting chrome in and they need to remove it to set things right. It's that simple.

You get that iOS Chrome is running the exact same WebKit as Mobile Safari, right? There's no fragmentation risk there.

Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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more specifically, Apple is Apple for shutting down apps that usurp their markets. But don't worry - Apple won't be Apple for much longer, and it has given up on all premium differentiation by being idiots.

> it has given up on all premium differentiation by being idiots. Elaborate?

You lose your premium sheen when you start giving away your products (iPhone 3GS for free).

Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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That's a pretty good chicken little, there. I'll tell you a story about my first time with an Android device. I went to the store to download an app. And it failed. Over. And over. And over again. The device emitted a cryptic error message which, thankfully, was easily Googled. The troubleshooting steps required diving into the settings application and manipulating some controls to reset a data store in a low-level c…

I'm telling you what happens if Apple allows Firefox to dominate the iOS ecosystem. It's easier to target, it's easier to get right as a single app on an android device, and it crushes Apple's ecosystem and differnetiation. They've fucked up letting chrome in and they need to remove it to set things right. It's that simple.

That's a whole lot of stupid you're spitting out there, but honestly the part that is bugging me the worst is you keep confusing Chrome with Firefox.

Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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I'm telling you what happens if Apple allows Firefox to dominate the iOS ecosystem. It's easier to target, it's easier to get right as a single app on an android device, and it crushes Apple's ecosystem and differnetiation. They've fucked up letting chrome in and they need to remove it to set things right. It's that simple.

You get that iOS Chrome is running the exact same WebKit as Mobile Safari, right? There's no fragmentation risk there.

Why would you consider it fragmentation even if (and that's a big if...not going to happen) Apple allowed Chrome for iOS to use its own version of WebKit (and V8!) instead of UIWebView? That doesn't make any sense.

Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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You get that iOS Chrome is running the exact same WebKit as Mobile Safari, right? There's no fragmentation risk there.

Why would you consider it fragmentation even if (and that's a big if...not going to happen) Apple allowed Chrome for iOS to use its own version of WebKit (and V8!) instead of UIWebView? That doesn't make any sense.

...Where once there was one rendering engine, now there would be two. That introduces fragmentation for any developers targeting web users on iOS devices, as there would surely be a handful of nuances differentiating the two. Even if those were just around performance.

I don't even think that matters very much, though – I'm just addressing the concern of the crazy fucker above.

Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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they very much do care. If the only button anyone clicked on the home screen was "Firefox" and then did everything from there forever, pretty soon people would realize they don't really need an iPhone and would buy a far-less premium device. This is exactly what will happen in Apple allows Chrome. They should remove it from the app store. It's against their policies and just like flash in mobile safari (firefox on io…

That's a pretty good chicken little, there. I'll tell you a story about my first time with an Android device. I went to the store to download an app. And it failed. Over. And over. And over again. The device emitted a cryptic error message which, thankfully, was easily Googled. The troubleshooting steps required diving into the settings application and manipulating some controls to reset a data store in a low-level c…

I'll tell you my experience with iOS. I bought an iPod Touch, and there was no way to put music on it. Because I run GNU/Linux the only way I could do that was with a Windows virtual machine.

I click on a link on an e-mail an it opens Safari, when I want to use Opera. I have to kill all the applications living on the down thingy (multi-tasking), although I do know that they may not be using any memory, but they do feel like slowing things down. And of course, I almost lost all my apps, had problems with my iTunes and lot's of other issues when I moved country.

That's not exactly 'just works'.

Of course, YMMV. And that's why we don't use personal examples to say that something is better than the other.

EDIT: OK, not exactly better, but to say something 'just works' or is 'airtight' and things like that. Android works pretty well too.

Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty good chicken little, there. I'll tell you a story about my first time with an Android device. I went to the store to download an app. And it failed. Over. And over. And over again. The device emitted a cryptic error message which, thankfully, was easily Googled. The troubleshooting steps required diving into the settings application and manipulating some controls to reset a data store in a low-level c…

I'll tell you my experience with iOS. I bought an iPod Touch, and there was no way to put music on it. Because I run GNU/Linux the only way I could do that was with a Windows virtual machine. I click on a link on an e-mail an it opens Safari, when I want to use Opera. I have to kill all the applications living on the down thingy (multi-tasking), although I do know that they may not be using any memory, but they do fe…

> I'll tell you my experience with iOS. I bought an iPod Touch, and there was no way to put music on it. Because I run GNU/Linux the only way I could do that was with a Windows virtual machine.

Apple does not care about your use case. Neither do I, for any example that describes a mass-market consumer electronics product.

The iPod touch wasn't designed to work with Linux. On the other hand, the Android device in question was emphatically designed to download apps, and failed at it with cryptic, non-user friendly results.

> And that's why we don't use personal examples to say that something is better than the other.

As delightful as I have found your condescension, the comparison wasn't made in a vacuum. The story was an object lesson in the challenges Google still faces in making an airtight UX for non-technical users, especially as compared to Apple. Defensibility of such advantage, among others, was the OP's chief concern.

As a careful reading would have revealed to you, I mentioned the error was easily Googled. This meant that it was, in no way, a unique experience. A third party blog had taken the time to walk through the fix, so common was this issue for a common use case of the product.

Re: Google is slowly cracking "open" iOS

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more specifically, Apple is Apple for shutting down apps that usurp their markets. But don't worry - Apple won't be Apple for much longer, and it has given up on all premium differentiation by being idiots.

"Apple won't be Apple for much longer, and it has given up on all premium differentiation by being idiots." That's some hilarious armchair analysis. Got any polls, statistics or.... anything... to back that up? Or just stereotypical Apple-is-going-to-fail bs that people have parroted for the past two decades straight?

This time it's different. This time it's failing by deciding to act as much as a beige undifferentiated manufacturer as possible. If you like I can send you a complete analysis.
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