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炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Japanese is my favourite written language, I love English but I'm definitely jealous of the beautiful glyphs and the vertical writing. From what I've seen, vertical writing is often poorly supported in software though, which is a shame.

English had beautiful writing, but it was destroyed by technology. First by the printing press, then by typewriters, then by low-resolution computer monitors. All of the human character and calligraphic qualities of the script have been mechanically stripped away in order to better accommodate what are now outdated legacy technologies, but everyone is so used to the status quo that we don't even realize what we've lost, and instead just accept that English script happens to be uglier than Japanese or Arabic or Devangari. In an alternate universe, we could be reading this in a script reminiscent of, say, the Uncial script used in the Book of Kells (which is what inspired Tolkien's beautiful Tengwar script).

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Japanese is my favourite written language, I love English but I'm definitely jealous of the beautiful glyphs and the vertical writing. From what I've seen, vertical writing is often poorly supported in software though, which is a shame.

English had beautiful writing, but it was destroyed by technology. First by the printing press, then by typewriters, then by low-resolution computer monitors. All of the human character and calligraphic qualities of the script have been mechanically stripped away in order to better accommodate what are now outdated legacy technologies, but everyone is so used to the status quo that we don't even realize what we've lo…

Not buying it. Japanese has also gone through the same tech tree.

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's this? Japanese version of April 1st?

Google Japan moved their annual input device jokes to October 1st, which is keyboard day (10/1 -> 101 keys)

Also the furthest date from April 1st.

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Checking out this repo just made me realize that a good way to prevent getting spammed pull requests in your repo is to maintain it in a langauge other than English.

At least it's better than getting spammed issues.

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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So this does not get flagged: https://github-com.translate.goog/mitoma/kashiki2?_x_tr_sl=a... Also, hotkey(s) for a set of predefined isomorphic camera views would seem useful; maybe I am not seeing it? https://github.com/mitoma/kashiki2/blob/main/kashikishi/asse...

Translation is difficult at the best of times. I thought it was interesting how Google Translate seemingly kept coming up with different translations for the name of the program. Under “Features”, it suddenly decides the name is “Takigami”, as one example. By the end, it even goes so far as to say: “When you start up the cooking program , the following screen will be displayed.” I asked ChatGPT 4o to translate the RE…

I think I would prefer a slightly worse translator program than one that potentially hallucinates new information onto the page

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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post #21
post #6

Japanese is my favourite written language, I love English but I'm definitely jealous of the beautiful glyphs and the vertical writing. From what I've seen, vertical writing is often poorly supported in software though, which is a shame.

English had beautiful writing, but it was destroyed by technology. First by the printing press, then by typewriters, then by low-resolution computer monitors. All of the human character and calligraphic qualities of the script have been mechanically stripped away in order to better accommodate what are now outdated legacy technologies, but everyone is so used to the status quo that we don't even realize what we've lo…

Alternatively, we've made things a lot more legible for people from different backgrounds to understand. Deciphering modern fonts is a lot easier than deciphering cursive script, and hand-writing complicated scripts just raises the barrier of entry for people to communicate in written form

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation is difficult at the best of times. I thought it was interesting how Google Translate seemingly kept coming up with different translations for the name of the program. Under “Features”, it suddenly decides the name is “Takigami”, as one example. By the end, it even goes so far as to say: “When you start up the cooking program , the following screen will be displayed.” I asked ChatGPT 4o to translate the RE…

I think I would prefer a slightly worse translator program than one that potentially hallucinates new information onto the page

I stopped using GT for larger texts when (having finally achieved some rudimentary literacy in my target language) I noticed it was rather cavalier about inserting or deleting not, changing the sense of sentences completely.

Sure, in translation one always has issues of sarcasm or irony, but I felt the tool was probably hallucinating more than being a useful work instrument.

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFCABnWlN8E

EDIT: and yes, I also prefer the older behaviour of translation programs, whose output was noticeably disfluent where it was poor instead of just bullshitting to stay fluent.

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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post #6

Japanese is my favourite written language, I love English but I'm definitely jealous of the beautiful glyphs and the vertical writing. From what I've seen, vertical writing is often poorly supported in software though, which is a shame.

Haha can you read Japanese though? It's beautiful for sure and it even feels a little different when reading it as if you're, in a way, sorta sounding about pictures. But man is it a pain in the butt to learn!

全く私も思います。二年前から勉強していますけどまだまだです。

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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post #21
post #6

Japanese is my favourite written language, I love English but I'm definitely jealous of the beautiful glyphs and the vertical writing. From what I've seen, vertical writing is often poorly supported in software though, which is a shame.

English had beautiful writing, but it was destroyed by technology. First by the printing press, then by typewriters, then by low-resolution computer monitors. All of the human character and calligraphic qualities of the script have been mechanically stripped away in order to better accommodate what are now outdated legacy technologies, but everyone is so used to the status quo that we don't even realize what we've lo…

I would argue the opposite, Japanese is suffering more than English thanks to computers.

For instance a lot of the obvious brush stroke is gone such as: うえらおや

The upper line is supposed to either look like a droplet of water or like ふ upper part

Certain details are gone: にこ no longer has the half arrow you can see exists vertically on the horizontal line.

ふ lost a lot of its details.

Still I would argue it looks better now for the most part.

Source: https://gogonihon.com/en/blog/japanese-characters/

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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THIS! So much this!!

With the jump from 2D screen to AR-based UI, we have the chance to re-think all of the conventions that have gripped UI/UX design over the past few decades. How many apps would benefit from being able to visualize data in a 3D space? How many new ways could we interact with computers, if we could reach out and touch things? Text editing, video editing, image editing (visualizing Photoshop layers?), 3D modeling, sketching, gaming: all revolutionized by a new input paradigm. That's partially what I thought Apple would accomplish. They have a history of totally rethinking every part of software when a new input device comes around. I mean, think about the jump from the iMac to the iPhone. ["I just take my finger, and I scroll."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSv5x3V_KHY) I shudder to think how many drugs Apple employees had to take in order to think around traditional desktop conventions and come up with this stuff. I figured with the Vision Pro, we'd see traditional apps reformed to a new, never-before-seen standard, but I have unfortunately seen very little of that. If you scrape off all of the high-budget polish, Vision Pro feels like a device that another company would create that Apple would then do correctly. By extension, the Meta Quest lineup feels the same way.

But this is the kind of thing I absolutely want to see more of. There's a physicality to this text editor that feels intuitive, but more importantly, it feels comforting. When things appear and disappear on screens instantaneously without any animation, it triggers our brains that something is wrong, because that's unusual behavior. There's a purpose for animation, it's not always all for show. Bringing physicality like this to a 3D interface in mixed reality is, in my opinion, the next step in UI design. This text editor isn't getting super crazy with its effects, but in my opinion, you can already see the potential. As these devices come down in price and more developers get their hands on them I hope to see more like this. Hell, seeing this is the closest I've ever gotten to splurging on a Meta Quest so I could whip up a 3D modal text editor. I want a digital kitchen timer I can physically wind and unwind for Pomodoro timing. I want to pick an album to listen to on Apple Music from a stack of records projected onto my floor. Impractical? Perhaps. But look at early skeuomorphic iPhone apps and tell me those are practical. If all we cared about was using computers to get from point A to point B, we'd all work in TUIs, and r/unixporn wouldn't exist.

I don't know what it is, but feel a fundamental lack of interest in this new input paradigm, both from companies like Apple & Meta and from developers. Hopefully open source projects like this will show people the real potential of this new hardware.

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