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EU: Definition of "potential terrorists" opens door to broad information-sharing

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Re: EU: Definition of "potential terrorists" opens door to broad information-sharing

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Post by smashah »

johndunne wrote: post #18

From the article "Climate activism is on the rise, together with an increased willingness to use violence, marking a shift from environmental activism to environmental extremism" As far as I can tell, climate activists have been making a nuisance of themselves much more than a 'willingness to use violence.' I find this justification concerning, to say the least.

Maybe it's not a coincidence that the more shameless politicians ignore peaceful protests while doing the bidding of lobbyists, the more climate-concerned people feel the need to escalate their nuisance tactics which conveniently makes those same shameless politicians feel that they can justify more draconian measures to stifle privacy, speech and activism.

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Post by consp »

fdfgyu wrote: post #12
generic92034 wrote: post #3

Protecting democracy by evading democratic processes. If they are not trusting the parliaments to come up with the right decisions, what are they protecting then?

When has the EU ever been democratic? Brussels has lost, but ignored every referendum for the last 20 years.

Remind me please what eu wide referendum was ignored?

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Post by throwaway48476 »

generic92034 wrote: post #3

Protecting democracy by evading democratic processes. If they are not trusting the parliaments to come up with the right decisions, what are they protecting then?

Themselves. They protect themselves, their power and position at the expense of everyone.

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Post by consp »

johndunne wrote: post #18

From the article "Climate activism is on the rise, together with an increased willingness to use violence, marking a shift from environmental activism to environmental extremism" As far as I can tell, climate activists have been making a nuisance of themselves much more than a 'willingness to use violence.' I find this justification concerning, to say the least.

Funny thing with those violent protesters is ... Sometimes they are not protesters. I had the opportunity to be with a peaceful protest against canceling student financing and the people who started violence after it finished were neither part of, nor affected by, the issues or organisation.

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Post by aldsfh »

kranke155 wrote: post #16
rosmax_1337 wrote: post #6

This will be used to silence political dissent in the EU. The current rulers fear the change which could come about if they allow the political climate to shift in the direction which it is ready to.

How silly. Orban and his fellows are the ones who engage in authoritarianism.

There is currently an initiative to forbid a political party, the AfD in Germany. This is not supported by the CDU, but by others. While I do not like the AfD, forbidding political parties that serve as an outlet for people who do not support the uniparty and their essentially identical policies seems to be one of the most totalitarian measures in postwar Germany.

The SPD should instead examine why they themselves are losing votes.

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Post by ThalesX »

generic92034 wrote: post #20
fdfgyu wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has the EU ever been democratic? Brussels has lost, but ignored every referendum for the last 20 years.

That stance ("ever been democratic") is a bit too strong for my taste. There are definitely issues with the EU parliament having no rights to propose laws or the amount of indirection between voters and some powerful institutions. But calling the EU not being democratic is going too far, in my eyes. Especially considering the setup as a confederation of sovereign countries, so the comparison to individual countries'…

> But calling the EU not being democratic is going too far

I'm an EU citizen. I have minimal saying in who our commissioner is and what members of the cabinet get chosen.

I have a vote which I give to whatever party. After that, the vote for commissioner is secret; I have no idea who voted for what. After that, the negociations for the cabinet are secret; I have no idea what the criteria are and what the plans are.

I'm not putting us in the bucket of non-democracy just yet but I don't feel it's that far.

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

questinthrow wrote: post #5

Well the entire surveillance system we've slaved over to build during the ZIRP boom is ready to roll, AI was the final piece for cheap summarization of potential threats. Now the laws have to be drafted gently to boil the frog.

I hope some of you here who wrote this code do something about it.

Time for protests...

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Post by throwaway48476 »

aldsfh wrote: post #25
kranke155 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How silly. Orban and his fellows are the ones who engage in authoritarianism.

There is currently an initiative to forbid a political party, the AfD in Germany. This is not supported by the CDU, but by others. While I do not like the AfD, forbidding political parties that serve as an outlet for people who do not support the uniparty and their essentially identical policies seems to be one of the most totalitarian measures in postwar Germany. The SPD should instead examine why they themselves ar…

Politics across the world has ossified and become terrified of change. So they stick their heads in the sand.

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Post by jeffhuys »

kranke155 wrote: post #16
rosmax_1337 wrote: post #6

This will be used to silence political dissent in the EU. The current rulers fear the change which could come about if they allow the political climate to shift in the direction which it is ready to.

How silly. Orban and his fellows are the ones who engage in authoritarianism.

That’s not a rebuttal. That’s whataboutism.
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