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Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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I hold the same disdain for walled networks you do, but ultimately I use Facebook and others do as well simply because it is convenient and easy to use. I also wouldn't base my main application on it, but as a developer I don't mind it for smaller apps.

Convenient for what?

That question surprised me, because the purpose of billion-dollar businesses can usually be summed up in a few words.

Everybody has different uses for facebook, which is one of the reasons that it is so popular. To me, being able to see how ALL of your friends are doing is invaluable. I can log on and see the the state of my friends' lives, and not just my college friends, but people from any given stage of my life. I can find out where friend A is working, or whether friend B is single, etc.. It's ultimately about keeping connected.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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OK, here is some of the "why" of facebook for those of us who aren't heavy users.

Facebook is casual and useful.

It's easy to set up an event or fundraiser, invite everyone you know, put up pictures about the event, and so on.

Many comments show that there are expectations for use cases that Facebook really isn't about. "Having hundreds of 'friends' is pointless." "...looking for dates...met someone interesting..." That's not what Facebook is about, nor intended to be.

Yep, you can stay in touch with your close friends on Facebook if you really want. Many people do. But, it's really about those hundreds of people you still care about, but you don't see on a regular basis. It is the best way to keep tabs on them. It's also great for setting plans with them. As a personal side note, Facebook has led to several happy reunions with old friends after I lost their contact information for years.

More about the idea of "Facebook is casual". Facebook messages have injected themselves between email and IM on the formality spectrum, and wall posts are now between Messages and IM. You can initiate conversation with people who would otherwise find it odd. Like, say, members of the attractive sex.

The common theme is that Facebook pleases our in-born psychological social instincts. It is a fine lesson in human factors.

Yet more. The cool kids are on facebook. You know, the ones that we're supposed to hate as self-respecting geeks, because we're smarter but they somehow have more fun? That means people who care about being cool get on Facebook. (Although rebellion is cool, so now it's cool to take a stand against Facebook and stay off. But that's a whole other story.)

It's a perfectly acceptable social norm to "Facebook-stalk" someone: To look up their interests when you're interested in them. That's a big one.

It's a handy, casual way of passing around contact information. Once you know someone's name and a little bit about them, you can find them on Facebook. You don't need to ask for their phone number or IM or email address, find somewhere to write it down, and take 30 awkward seconds to do it. You just say, "Let's find each other on Facebook." To be clear: Facebook makes it just a little bit easier to pick up. Also, friending is a no-cost way of sending goodwill.

So that's why people use Facebook.

People on this discussion board love news about Facebook because Facebook is every tech entrepreneur's wet dream. Zuckerberg is young, modest, smart and very, very rich. Startup founders love to dream about Facebook-like success because that's what they all want. It's intellectual masturbation. When someone posts insights about Facebook's success, instant nerdgasm. Also, Facebook is an important enough influence on mainstream digital life that few Web entrepreneurs can ignore it. Facebook app clones can kill fledgling independent applications fast. And if Facebook manages to get people used to spending money while on Facebook, they could rival Google, Amazon, and Ebay in importance.

Finally, a note about the 'stolen idea'. Let's ignore that where the idea came from is irrelevant to Facebook's current utility and success. You ought to realize that ideas are near-worthless and execution is everything. FB is a case study in excellent execution. They hire brilliant developers just like Joel says, and they built a very clean UI as a competitive advantage over Myspace. Nearly all successful businesses are based on incremental improvements on existing ideas with great execution.

Put it this way: "Online store" is not terribly creative, but pg is rich and famous today because his gang of hackers had the best execution in building one. Search engines were not a new idea when Google took over the world. Nor were operating systems or word processors when Microsoft did before that. Online social networks were not new. They just sucked enough that there was room for Facebook to step in a build a better one.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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OK, here is some of the "why" of facebook for those of us who aren't heavy users. Facebook is casual and useful. It's easy to set up an event or fundraiser, invite everyone you know, put up pictures about the event, and so on. Many comments show that there are expectations for use cases that Facebook really isn't about. "Having hundreds of 'friends' is pointless." "...looking for dates...met someone interesting..." T…

Yes, I admit to being a Facebook stalker because of my lack of RL friends and a Zuckerberg hater because of my own insecurity as an technical entrepreneur.

What else do you want from me!?!

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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..."And Zuckerberg stole the idea anyway." Google stole the idea for Adwords, too. Besides, how can you steal the idea "a community for college kids"? We had one of these when I was in college (the earliest days of the internet)... It sucked, but a lot of us used it. On the caring about FB front, however-- I agree. Great article here calling Facebook "AOL 2.0": http://www.kottke.org/07/07/facebook-vs-aol-redux

What was the community for college kids? Usenet?

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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Facebook is a utility, not just a frivolous form of entertainment. Users depend on the service to manage contacts, share photos, and meet new people. A lot of important information flows through the facebook social graph. The posts here remind me of the guy who loves to brag about how he doesn't have a TV in his house. To each his own, but television has had a huge impact on business and culture world-wide. So even i…

That's a good point. There is a big distinction lost on a lot of people between "importance because I like it" and "importance because others like it". The DJ who plays the Electric Slide at your wedding because he like it is the typical example of a guy who can't see outside his own opinions of the world.

I'm not sure how I feel about facebook either (from a technical standpoint, I feel the same way every developer I know feels: "[homer voice] doh! I could have done that in a weekend!"). But given the way its become the sharing medium for a whole generation of college students, it deserves a lot of respect and attention no matter how you feel.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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Nope. I don't give a damn either. Having hundreds of "friends" is pointless (how many of them actually know you well? less than 10?) and it's a lot easier to maintain relationship with those you care about through personal correspondence through email or over the phone or in person. Facebook is just a giant game designed for you to waste a lot of your time on it. I'd rater work on something productive... but hey, do…

floats your boat

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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Nope. I don't give a damn either. Having hundreds of "friends" is pointless (how many of them actually know you well? less than 10?) and it's a lot easier to maintain relationship with those you care about through personal correspondence through email or over the phone or in person. Facebook is just a giant game designed for you to waste a lot of your time on it. I'd rater work on something productive... but hey, do…

it would be significantly different if you went to college in the facebook era

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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I don't get it either. Probably a sign that I am older than I think. A few years back it was pokemon and WWF which my younger brothers were crazy about. Now it's Facebook. Getting old was never supposed to be easy, I guess I need to face up to it now.

I get linkedin. Don't use it much, but I get it. Don't get myspace, it's like my daughter's messy room.

What depresses me is that there is a whole range of ideas that I will always overlook. These are to do with people unlike me. I just don't seem to have a appreciation for what they need.

I find it hard to start solving problems that don't impact me personally.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care about Facebook?

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I care about it in the sense that it's a privacy nightmare. That's why I don't use it.

They are getting people to voluntarily do what they couldn't compel them to do through legislative means: build dossiers on themselves and submit them to a corporation; and thanks to recent anti-terror acts of dubious constitutionality, government will be able to look at that information when they want to. Combine with Twitter for play-by-play of your whereabouts and actions, and Loopt to geolocate you everywhere you go.

It's a surveillance society that the innocent invited upon themselves uncynically.

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