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Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by HelloMcFly »

wswope wrote: post #20

As much as I dislike OpenAI’s ongoing shenanigans and disdain for their own customers, I tried to sign up for Claude last week. Turns out that Anthropic’s signup flow has been silently broken for months for Firefox users: https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1bq06yz/phone_ver... . You get the SMS verification code, and you can enter it, but you get a barely visible “Invalid verification code” error message foll…

For what it's worth I signed up for Claude on Firefox without issues several days ago. I'm not saying the issue isn't real, but it isn't universal on the browser.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by wswope »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #21
wswope wrote: post #20

As much as I dislike OpenAI’s ongoing shenanigans and disdain for their own customers, I tried to sign up for Claude last week. Turns out that Anthropic’s signup flow has been silently broken for months for Firefox users: https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1bq06yz/phone_ver... . You get the SMS verification code, and you can enter it, but you get a barely visible “Invalid verification code” error message foll…

For what it's worth I signed up for Claude on Firefox without issues several days ago. I'm not saying the issue isn't real, but it isn't universal on the browser.

Yeah - I run the ESR version of Firefox, which is probably the root of it, but wide prevalence of people hitting the same issue for so long + the total radio silence from support is what really threw me. At least OpenAI pretends to care by responding with AI-generated pseudohelp…

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by hannofcart »

wswope wrote: post #20

As much as I dislike OpenAI’s ongoing shenanigans and disdain for their own customers, I tried to sign up for Claude last week. Turns out that Anthropic’s signup flow has been silently broken for months for Firefox users: https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1bq06yz/phone_ver... . You get the SMS verification code, and you can enter it, but you get a barely visible “Invalid verification code” error message foll…

I'd like to add to this.

I signed up and paid for credits to access their API last weekend.

All requests still get rejected saying I don't have sufficient credit. This is despite their dashboard saying that I do indeed have the requisite credits.

No response despite reaching out to support.

Don't think I have been treated this indifferently by any other service in recent times.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by throwup238 »

bbor wrote: post #5

Always trippy for us apocalyptic optimists to read coverage about safety concerns and consolidating power in AI firms that reads exactly like these companies have been reporting for 20 years for smart phone apps, B2B SASS battles, and hospitality industry schemes. Reminds me of today's articles on the escalating war involving at least one nuclear power mentioning the Dow Jones as the fourth bullet point, but on an ev…

> Shame they're already for-profit... But don't worry, they Pinky Promise to be For The Public Benefit :)

Anthropic is legally a Delaware Public Benefit corporation so it's written into their corporate governance.

How effective that governance will be at balancing the public benefit with profit remains to be seen, but it's a lot more than just a pinky promise.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by richard___ »

wswope wrote: post #20

As much as I dislike OpenAI’s ongoing shenanigans and disdain for their own customers, I tried to sign up for Claude last week. Turns out that Anthropic’s signup flow has been silently broken for months for Firefox users: https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1bq06yz/phone_ver... . You get the SMS verification code, and you can enter it, but you get a barely visible “Invalid verification code” error message foll…

Lol - talk about making a mountain out of an anthill

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by ygjb »

blitzar wrote: post #16
Alupis wrote: post #3

> Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, was once the VP of research at OpenAI, and reportedly split with the firm after a disagreement over OpenAI’s roadmap — namely its growing commercial focus. So he's now the CEO of Anthropic, a company selling AI services? Claude is amazing, and we use it's Teams plan here at the office extensively (having switched from ChatGPT since Claude is vastly better at technical material and adc…

Pivoting from "for all mankind" to "all for myself" would make me deeply uncomfortable, too. The change from one position to the other, not either position in any absolute sense, is the concerning part.

I think that the approach that Anthropic is taking to governance is a little different than "all for myself", it's worth having a read of https://www.anthropic.com/news/the-long-term-benefit-trust

It sounds like they are least trying to build on the notion of being a public benefit corporation, and create a business that won't devolve into chart must go up and to the right each quarter.

Time will tell of course, OpenAI was putatively started with good, non-profit intentions.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by mistrial9 »

wswope wrote: post #22
HelloMcFly wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth I signed up for Claude on Firefox without issues several days ago. I'm not saying the issue isn't real, but it isn't universal on the browser.

Yeah - I run the ESR version of Firefox, which is probably the root of it, but wide prevalence of people hitting the same issue for so long + the total radio silence from support is what really threw me. At least OpenAI pretends to care by responding with AI-generated pseudohelp…

> total radio silence from support

the new customer reality, courtesy Google etc..

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by bbor »

throwup238 wrote: post #24
bbor wrote: post #5

Always trippy for us apocalyptic optimists to read coverage about safety concerns and consolidating power in AI firms that reads exactly like these companies have been reporting for 20 years for smart phone apps, B2B SASS battles, and hospitality industry schemes. Reminds me of today's articles on the escalating war involving at least one nuclear power mentioning the Dow Jones as the fourth bullet point, but on an ev…

> Shame they're already for-profit... But don't worry, they Pinky Promise to be For The Public Benefit :) Anthropic is legally a Delaware Public Benefit corporation so it's written into their corporate governance. How effective that governance will be at balancing the public benefit with profit remains to be seen, but it's a lot more than just a pinky promise.

Thanks for the correction! I was mixing up "Public Benefit Corporation", which is a legal offering by state governments, and "B-Corp", which is a non-profit that certifies wholesome for-profit firms like the Tillamook Dairy Cooperative.

I'd stand by the general assertion that it's little more than a pinky promise because they merely have to "balance" the concerns according to "any reasonable person"--an extremely weak-seeming obligation to this non-lawyer--but it's certainly much more impactful than I thought, namely:

  Sections 365 (b) and (c) provide broad protection to directors of public benefit corporations against claims based on interests other than those of stockholders
https://www.legis.delaware.gov/BillDetail?LegislationId=2235...

Good on you, Anthropic! In this specific case I believe in the director(s) a lot more than I believe in the shareholders ethics-wise, so it seems like a perfect choice. They can always fire him/them I suppose, but truly catastrophic AI risks would move faster than that, anyway.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by wswope »

richard___ wrote: post #25
wswope wrote: post #20

As much as I dislike OpenAI’s ongoing shenanigans and disdain for their own customers, I tried to sign up for Claude last week. Turns out that Anthropic’s signup flow has been silently broken for months for Firefox users: https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1bq06yz/phone_ver... . You get the SMS verification code, and you can enter it, but you get a barely visible “Invalid verification code” error message foll…

Lol - talk about making a mountain out of an anthill

You’re not wrong, but I’m more leaning on the anecdote to make a broader case that the big walled-garden players (Google/OAI/Anthropic) all kinda suck in similar ways.

I.e. - I think Anthropic is seeing a boon right now not because they’re doing things right, but because the competition is doing them worse.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by ipaddr »

m463 wrote: post #11
conshama wrote: post #8

Seems to me that the only difference between Anthropic and OpenAI is that Anthropic was for-profit from day one and OpenAI is from day yesterday. I pay for both, and pretty sure they will do everything they can to take as much money from me that they can get away with. This shouldnt be news.

What if your city police force or volunteer firemen switched to for-profit? I think that is the crux of the matter.

If they started paying volunteer it would tell me the town has more money not they will do a bad job now that they are paid.
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