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They stole my voice with AI

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Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by shortformblog »

meiraleal wrote: post #18
azinman2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they should owe you for stealing your likeliness without your awareness to promote their products. This isn’t for satire purposes.

How much? This IP/copyright mentality is so 90s/2000s. Brings back memories of Napster. This Jeff Geerling which I have never heard of will cry until some Spotify of AI appears and pay him some pennies. Maybe he wants to be the James Hetfield/Metallica of this generation. This guy doesn't have 1/10000 of the relevance Metallica had at the time tho.

You think someone stealing the dude’s voice is the same as people downloading Metallica songs?

Are you trying not to be taken seriously?

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by bbor »

wwweston wrote: post #4

I appreciate his pointer to precedent, but the truth is that while precedent is a start, we're going to need to do work with principles beyond precedent. When tech introduces unprecedented capabilities, we will either figure out how to draw boundaries within which it (among other features of society) works for people, not against them, or we'll let it lead us closer to a world in which the strong do what they will an…

Yeah but I don’t think being either party in a precedent-setting litigation is fun or easy. You’d have to find some sort of political non-profit (ACLU?) to foot the bill as you go from appeal to appeal, all the while enduring negative media coverage and general attention.

The Camry class needs its defenders, I wholeheartedly agree, but it’s also a core principle of contemporary praxis that you gotta let people choose their comfort level/ability to contribute. Encourage, promote, embolden — but try not to shame :)

Anyway, something tells me this blog post is gonna be more than enough. I don’t think basically anyone is on the side of stealing people’s voices, it’s just intuitively icky in a way that scraping the NYT and deviantart archives for training data isn’t. Public shaming isn’t gonna win him a big sack of damages, but it doesn’t seem like that’s what he’s after!

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by Dalewyn »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #11
wwweston wrote: post #4

I appreciate his pointer to precedent, but the truth is that while precedent is a start, we're going to need to do work with principles beyond precedent. When tech introduces unprecedented capabilities, we will either figure out how to draw boundaries within which it (among other features of society) works for people, not against them, or we'll let it lead us closer to a world in which the strong do what they will an…

California recently signed some legislation into effect. It’s a start. Congress is working on “No Artificial Intelligence Fake Replicas And Unauthorized Duplications Act.” Still in dev in the House, but has bipartisan support. Call your congressperson, ask them to co-sponsor and/or vote for it. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-bills-pro... https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/salazar-intro…

It's going to be an interesting First Amendment question.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by mbrumlow »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #11
wwweston wrote: post #4

I appreciate his pointer to precedent, but the truth is that while precedent is a start, we're going to need to do work with principles beyond precedent. When tech introduces unprecedented capabilities, we will either figure out how to draw boundaries within which it (among other features of society) works for people, not against them, or we'll let it lead us closer to a world in which the strong do what they will an…

California recently signed some legislation into effect. It’s a start. Congress is working on “No Artificial Intelligence Fake Replicas And Unauthorized Duplications Act.” Still in dev in the House, but has bipartisan support. Call your congressperson, ask them to co-sponsor and/or vote for it. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-bills-pro... https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/salazar-intro…

Seems silly. What if I train my model on somebody who sounds like a somebody?

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by lokar »

meiraleal wrote: post #18
azinman2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they should owe you for stealing your likeliness without your awareness to promote their products. This isn’t for satire purposes.

How much? This IP/copyright mentality is so 90s/2000s. Brings back memories of Napster. This Jeff Geerling which I have never heard of will cry until some Spotify of AI appears and pay him some pennies. Maybe he wants to be the James Hetfield/Metallica of this generation. This guy doesn't have 1/10000 of the relevance Metallica had at the time tho.

Your inability to look even few decades into the future to see the impact of this is depressing. You only seem to care about yourself and your current grift.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by toomuchtodo »

mbrumlow wrote: post #24
toomuchtodo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California recently signed some legislation into effect. It’s a start. Congress is working on “No Artificial Intelligence Fake Replicas And Unauthorized Duplications Act.” Still in dev in the House, but has bipartisan support. Call your congressperson, ask them to co-sponsor and/or vote for it. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-bills-pro... https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/salazar-intro…

Seems silly. What if I train my model on somebody who sounds like a somebody?

You go to court and see what happens.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by keyboardcaper »

meiraleal wrote: post #18
azinman2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they should owe you for stealing your likeliness without your awareness to promote their products. This isn’t for satire purposes.

How much? This IP/copyright mentality is so 90s/2000s. Brings back memories of Napster. This Jeff Geerling which I have never heard of will cry until some Spotify of AI appears and pay him some pennies. Maybe he wants to be the James Hetfield/Metallica of this generation. This guy doesn't have 1/10000 of the relevance Metallica had at the time tho.

Funny, I first heard of Jeff Geerling over ten years ago in my dev circles.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by bbor »

mbrumlow wrote: post #24
toomuchtodo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California recently signed some legislation into effect. It’s a start. Congress is working on “No Artificial Intelligence Fake Replicas And Unauthorized Duplications Act.” Still in dev in the House, but has bipartisan support. Call your congressperson, ask them to co-sponsor and/or vote for it. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-bills-pro... https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/salazar-intro…

Seems silly. What if I train my model on somebody who sounds like a somebody?

I mean, it’s the same as trademark disputes; legal standards will slowly be cobbled together from statutes, regulations, and random judges setting precedent. “Confusion in the marketplace” seems like a potentially relevant term — accidentally producing a product similar to an existing person’s voice is one thing, but publishing it in a manner and/or context that makes it seem like that person recorded the lines is something else entirely.

Anyway, given how the election is shaking out on Twitter, I have a feeling political usage will spark legislation and precedent far before commercial usage does. But that’s just a plain guess

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

mbrumlow wrote: post #24
toomuchtodo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California recently signed some legislation into effect. It’s a start. Congress is working on “No Artificial Intelligence Fake Replicas And Unauthorized Duplications Act.” Still in dev in the House, but has bipartisan support. Call your congressperson, ask them to co-sponsor and/or vote for it. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-bills-pro... https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/salazar-intro…

Seems silly. What if I train my model on somebody who sounds like a somebody?

Then you'd be able to prove that you actually did that, for one.
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