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Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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> And, somehow, the software update has broken the functionality of several security tools made by CrowdStrike, ... What terrible news – whatever shall we do?

Please look past the fact that CrowdStrike is today’s, or yesterday’s, cultural whipping boy. They make software, and its users would like it to work. It’s not a good thing.

Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you, this makes the frustration in the above quote more understandable. For anyone wanting to avoid the x click: > Worth stressing this was reported to Apple before the GA was released (by multiple people, to multiple teams/orgs within Apple) so Apple 100% knew about this, and shipped macOS 15 anyways

Apple, or at least their teams responsible for answering feedback, rarely ever give substantial responses nowadays, regardless of how well documented the submission was. So it compounds the frustration. And this isn’t even the most egregious case, sometimes the bugs are so obvious that they generate multiple hard faults, per hour, logged in Console, on a fresh installation with only the default apps running.

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Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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> At this point, it’s unclear exactly what is the issue So, is this a bug in Sequoia or a change that affects these low-level tools? If the latter, they may not like it, but that’s par for the game on MacOS. (Tried reading https://x.com/patrickwardle/status/1836862900654461270 , referenced by sephamorr , but that link isn’t working for me)

There's a bug megatread on r/macos full of networking bugs that makes it clear that upgrading to sequoia is not a good idea just yet.

Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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post #19

> At this point, it’s unclear exactly what is the issue So, is this a bug in Sequoia or a change that affects these low-level tools? If the latter, they may not like it, but that’s par for the game on MacOS. (Tried reading https://x.com/patrickwardle/status/1836862900654461270 , referenced by sephamorr , but that link isn’t working for me)

There's a bug megatread on r/macos full of networking bugs that makes it clear that upgrading to sequoia is not a good idea just yet.

Not just networking issues, there are plenty of reports with external drives having problems as well.

Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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I don't see a single product listed there that actually improves security. I'd consider them "cover your ass for compliance" products. None of these vendors has a track record of delivering quality or actual protection without increasing the attack surface, as proven by past screwups of these companies. They even quote Crowdstrike in the first paragraph.

macOS release dates are predictable and Apple ships developer previews and public betas. If these vendors can't update their products in time that doesn't speak for their processes, automated testing infrastructure nor care for their customers.

Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a bug megatread on r/macos full of networking bugs that makes it clear that upgrading to sequoia is not a good idea just yet.

Not just networking issues, there are plenty of reports with external drives having problems as well.

I usually wait for a .4 update before upgrading. One time around Catalina there was a bug that broke USB-C docks.. Oh cool none of my devices work.

Interestingly in that thread, 'Intel' is not mentioned once.

Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per Patrick Wardle, this was well reported to Apple during beta. https://x.com/patrickwardle/status/1836862900654461270

Thank you, this makes the frustration in the above quote more understandable. For anyone wanting to avoid the x click: > Worth stressing this was reported to Apple before the GA was released (by multiple people, to multiple teams/orgs within Apple) so Apple 100% knew about this, and shipped macOS 15 anyways

IMO those Mac anti-virus tools are basically malware exploiting all kinds of loopholes and hacks to get their hands on everything going on in the system. It's a good thing Apple fixes those loopholes and it's not Apple's responsibility to make sure every hack used by these tools keeps working.

Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just networking issues, there are plenty of reports with external drives having problems as well.

I usually wait for a .4 update before upgrading. One time around Catalina there was a bug that broke USB-C docks.. Oh cool none of my devices work. Interestingly in that thread, 'Intel' is not mentioned once.

This reminds me of a joke about "windows users waiting for the service pack while macos is always stable" that a friend always rubbed in my face whenever I had some issue with windows a decade ago.

And that I just sent a message yesterday to my team to wait before installing sequoia... But now I'll use your target of .4.

Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

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> And, somehow, the software update has broken the functionality of several security tools made by CrowdStrike, ... What terrible news – whatever shall we do?

Please look past the fact that CrowdStrike is today’s, or yesterday’s, cultural whipping boy. They make software, and its users would like it to work. It’s not a good thing.

And it's their responsibility to make sure it works by testing on pre-release OS builds and implementing fixes when necessary.

Re: Apple's new macOS Sequoia update is breaking some cybersecurity tools

#30

> “As a developer of macOS security tools, it’s incredibly frustrating to time and time again have to deal with (understandably) upset users (understandably) blaming your tools for breaking their Macs, when in reality it was Apple’s fault all along,” I would like to understand this better. Were there not any beta releases that these companies could have tested with in advance? Or were changes made between the beta an…

Per Patrick Wardle, this was well reported to Apple during beta. https://x.com/patrickwardle/status/1836862900654461270

I'm not a big fan of these tools myself (although like many people my employer insists on them). But still, isn't it the responsibility of the tool maker to make their software work with new OS versions and not Apple's?
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