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Israel Built a Modern-Day Trojan Horse: Exploding Pagers

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Shocking to me that a terrorist attack by Israel is being lauded in the New York Times (and indeed on HN).

This was not a terrorist attack. This was a precisely targeted strike against the personnel of a hostile military.

4 of the initial 12 casualties were doctors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would doctors have Hezbollah pagers or otherwise be involved with Hezbollah? Also, what other means of attack would have a better combatant/civilian casualty ratio than this? Do you think that dropping bombs or sending in ground forces with M16s would have hit a lower percentage of civilians?

There is no such thing as a Hezbollah pager. They are gold Apollo pagers. It is completely normal for doctors to have pagers.

i thought Hezbollah had their own broadcast pager network for their pagers for security reasons. a trigger sent out on that frequency would only affect Hezbollah, no?

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According to the BBC, of the 12 killed by pages, four were doctors, so it looks like Israel targeted hospitals as part of this attack. They also must have known that many of these bombs would detonate in public places where they would injure many civilians. I suspect the be breakdown of the thousands injured will disproportionately be innocent bystanders. Claiming this was a targeted military attack is ludicrous.

> According to the BBC, of the 12 killed by pages, four were doctors, so it looks like Israel targeted hospitals as part of this attack.

Someone being a doctor does not prevent them from being a Hezbollah operative, al-Zawahiri was also a doctor. The proportion seems to be too high for that explanation alone, but also could be a coincidence given the small sample.

> They also must have known that many of these bombs would detonate in public places where they would injure many civilians. I suspect the be breakdown of the thousands injured will disproportionately be innocent bystanders.

Why do you suspect that, given that on all videos of pagers detonating in public places only their owners are injured?

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According to the BBC, of the 12 killed by pages, four were doctors, so it looks like Israel targeted hospitals as part of this attack. They also must have known that many of these bombs would detonate in public places where they would injure many civilians. I suspect the be breakdown of the thousands injured will disproportionately be innocent bystanders. Claiming this was a targeted military attack is ludicrous.

lies. You can see the official Hizbollocs funeral pamphlets, they are all terrorists

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The point was not to kill them, but to maim and blind them. The thousands of blind, neutered and armless terrorists will for generations remind everyone in the Middle East that you don't f*ck with Israel. The same applies to Gaza which is now unsuitable for living.

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no such thing as a Hezbollah pager. They are gold Apollo pagers. It is completely normal for doctors to have pagers.

i thought Hezbollah had their own broadcast pager network for their pagers for security reasons. a trigger sent out on that frequency would only affect Hezbollah, no?

We don't know how exactly how the trigger mechanism worked. It was an import of pager batteries that were intercepted and replaced, it's plausible that someone else using a pager in the country would be affected if they had received a pager battery from the same batch

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This attack vector applies to all modern electronics and privacy conscious consumers will take note. Not only are electronics almost certainly willingly backdoored for the government but now tomorrow if the need is great enough your phone becomes a remote IED. With configure-to-order now standard, all those on a watchlist get a little something extra in their stocking. Why stop there? How about a little cyanide for their prescription? This is a rather terrible precedent for the economy. That said, it was fair game.

Also this recent thread is worth revisiting I think;

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41551564

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would doctors have Hezbollah pagers or otherwise be involved with Hezbollah? Also, what other means of attack would have a better combatant/civilian casualty ratio than this? Do you think that dropping bombs or sending in ground forces with M16s would have hit a lower percentage of civilians?

Hezbollah is a legitimate political party in Lebanon, like it or not. This means that they have a lot of civilians involved in running a country. Just imagine Russia targeting pro-fascist AfD in Germany and justifying that by "fighting against fascism in Europe." There's 0 doubt everyone would see that as a state-sponsored terror attack and an attack on a German state - an act of war.

If AfD were firing rockets into Russia, Russia would have every right to retaliate.

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According to the BBC, of the 12 killed by pages, four were doctors, so it looks like Israel targeted hospitals as part of this attack. They also must have known that many of these bombs would detonate in public places where they would injure many civilians. I suspect the be breakdown of the thousands injured will disproportionately be innocent bystanders. Claiming this was a targeted military attack is ludicrous.

Agreed. A targeted strike against enemy combatants (with minimal civilian deaths) is LEGAL WAR. Indiscriminate booby traps into a civilian population (regardless of the original buyer) is definitely TERRORISM. At this point, Israel’s detractors will say morally it’s no different than Hamas. The dropping of bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima was TERRORISM as well as well as the fire bombing of London and Dresden.

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