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Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by rkou »

And what about the future of social media?

This is such devious, but increasingly obvious, narrative crafting by a commercial entity that has proven itself adversarial to an open and decentralized internet / ideas and knowledge economy.

The argument goes as follows:

- The future of AI is open source and decentralized

- We want to win the future of AI instead, become a central leader and player in the collective open-source community (a corporate entity with personhood for which Mark is the human mask/spokesperson)

- So let's call our open-weight models open-source, and benefit from its imago, require all Llama developers to transfer any goodwill to us, and decentralize responsibility and liability, for when our 20 million dollar plus "AI jet engine" Waifu emulator causes harm.

Read the terms of use / contract for Meta AI products. If you deploy it, some producer finds the model spits out copyrighted content, knocks on Meta's door, Meta will point to you for the rest of the court case. If that's the future for AI, then it doesn't really matter whether China wins.

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by exe34 »

jsheard wrote: post #8
leetharris wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of open source AI out there that isn't Meta. It's just not as good. The #1 problem is not compute, but data and the manpower required to clean that data up. The main thing you can do is support companies and groups who are releasing open source models. They are usually using their own data.

> There's plenty of open source AI out there that isn't Meta. It's just not as good. To my knowledge all of the notable open source models are subsidised by corporations in one way or another, whether by being the side project of a mega-corp which can absorb the loss (Meta) or coasting on investor hype (Mistral, Stability). Neither of those give me much confidence that they will continue forever, especially the latte…

if you can do 100x more efficient training with open source, closeAI can simply take that and train a model that's 100x bigger/longer/more tokens.

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by meiraleal »

hyuuu wrote: post #16

the view of the comments here seems to be quite negative for what meta is doing. Honest question, should they go to the route of openai and closed source + paid access instead? OpenAI or Claude seem to garner more positive views than llama open sourced.

Not much would change if they did. Meta intentions and OpenAI intentions are the same: reach monopoly and take all the investment back with a 100x return. Anyone that achieves it will be as evil as the other one.

> OpenAI or Claude seem to garner more positive views than llama open sourced.

that's more about Meta than the others. Although OpenAI isn't that far from Meta already.

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Post by troupo »

hyuuu wrote: post #16

the view of the comments here seems to be quite negative for what meta is doing. Honest question, should they go to the route of openai and closed source + paid access instead? OpenAI or Claude seem to garner more positive views than llama open sourced.

They use "open source" to whitewash their image.

Now ask yourself a question: where does Meta's data come from? Perhaps from their users' data? And they opted everyone in by default. And made the opt-out process as cumbersome as possible: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1794863603964891567.html And now complain that the EU is preventing them from "collecting rich cultural context" or something https://x.com/nickclegg/status/1834594456689066225

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by troupo »

I've had as a comment to a comment, but I'll repost it at the top level:

They use "open source" to whitewash their image.

Now ask yourself a question: where does Meta's data come from? Perhaps from their users' data? And they opted everyone in by default. And made the opt-out process as cumbersome as possible: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1794863603964891567.html And now complain that the EU is preventing them from "collecting rich cultural context" or something https://x.com/nickclegg/status/1834594456689066225

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by dzonga »

the reason - i'm a little bearish on AI is due to its cost. small companies won't innovate on models if they don't have billions to burn to train the models.

yet when you look back at history, things that were revolutionary, it was due to low cost of production. web, bicycles, cars, steam engine cars etc.

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by dkga »

exabrial wrote: post #10

only when it's financially convenient for them...

Well, yes. They are a company, with shareholders and all. So while not breaching any law, they should indeed pursue strategies that they think would be profitable.

And for all the negativity seen in many of the comments here I think it’s actually quite remarkable that they make model checkpoints available freely. It’s an externality, but a positive one. Not quite there yet in terms of the ideal - which is definitely open source - and surely with an abuse of language, which I also note. But overall, the best that is achievable now I think.

The true question we should be tackling is, is there an incentive-compatible way to develop foundation models in a truly open source way? How to promote these conditions, if they do exist?

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by rafaelmn »

dzonga wrote: post #27

the reason - i'm a little bearish on AI is due to its cost. small companies won't innovate on models if they don't have billions to burn to train the models. yet when you look back at history, things that were revolutionary, it was due to low cost of production. web, bicycles, cars, steam engine cars etc.

> yet when you look back at history, things that were revolutionary, it was due to low cost of production.

Nuclear everything, rockets/satellites, tons of revolutionary things that are very expensive to produce and develop.

Also software scales differently.

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

Facebook promised to connect the world in a happy circle of friendship and instead causes election integrity controversies, bizarre conspiracy theories about pandemics and immigrants to go viral, and massive increases in teen suicide. Not sure why anyone would trust them with their promises of decentralized-AI and roses.
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